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This may be the last time I post in these pages. I have often thought about giving eBay the middle finger salute and taking my business elsewhere, but like an abused spouse I just seem to keep coming back. Before I throw in the towel for good tho, I would like to explain my reasons to someone who, unlike the many helpdesk workers I have spoke to in the last month, may be willing to listen to me.

 

Perhaps my experience might strike a chord with some of you. If so, I'd like to hear from you.

 

I have been an ebay seller for over 10 years, turning over about $8000 a month. What started as a hobby has now become my primary income - all legit with the tax office too. Until recently I was considering expanding my business and possibly employing someone to assist with mundane chores such as data enrty and answering questions.

 

In the last month I have seen my seller performance drop to below average, lost my power seller status, and am now unable to list under my ebay store subscrition. All of this inspite of an excellent DSR and consistently high feedback.

 

The reason has to do with recent policy changes which make it impossible for me to invoice my buyers with the correct postage charges.

 

Over the last few months certain functions have been removed from the checkout postage. At varying times the 'request combined postage' option has disappeared from the checkout, as has the 'send revised invoice' feature from selling manager. Up until very recently the 'send invoice to buyer' was also removed from the bottom of email notifications. In some instances buyers report being required to make immediate payment through paypal, even tho this condition was not stipulated by me in the listing. And god help anyone using a phone app that wishes to make multiple purchases. There seems ot be no choice but to pay multiple lots of postage and then complain about being overcharged..

 

This is where it starts to unravel. These changes all seem to have come since eBay decided it was fair to charge sellers a pecentage of the shipping fee, even tho this is a cost, which must be carried by the buyer or the seller, not a profit to which ebay would be rightly entitled to its fair share. I wouldn't be so cynical as to suggest that ebay are playing this to their advantage by making it harder for sellers to offer combined shipping, but I'll admit that the thought has crossed my mind.

 

Under current policy, a seller who initiates a paypal refund where there is no dispute incurrs a 'defect' on the transaction. The same thing happens if you cancel a transaction specifying out of stock as a reason. (The second option - buyer has requested a refund or changed his their mind is often confusiing to buyers who must agree to the cancellation in order for the seller to recoup their fees.) 

 

In recent months I have had a couple of large sales where the buyer has overpaid and requested a refund, or, seeing the excessive total in the checkout has elected to pay by 'other'. In these instances the only option for me is to refund the payment in total or cancel the sale. To comply with ebay policy as best I can I tried relisting combined orders under the title PRIVATE SALE and included the correct price and fixed postage price in the listing. That seemed to work, the buyers paid the correct shipping and ebay collected the appropriate fee.

 

As a result of this my April performance evaluation put me below standard. I can't relist items as they expire or create any new listings, and the sudden drop-off in sales indicates that my items fallen to the bottom of the search results. I have contacted customer support on an almost daily basis and sent numerous emails. I am yet to speak to the same representative twice, and the responses I get to my emails, at least the ones written in a version of english that's recognisable, indicate that the they havent read, or understood the question.

 

On the odd occasion where I've felt like I've made some progress, I've then received different advice from the next rep. For instance I was told that once my seller evaluation returned an above avarage result I could request a higher selling limit. Nuh-uh. My last evaluation puts me at 'above standard' and when I spoke to trust and safety I was told I need to wait another 30 days. "Before we can increase your selling limit, we need to make sure that you are consistent giving excellent products and services to your buyers."

 

For the sake of ever loving f###. I have been consistently giving excellent service to my buyers for over 10 years with many repeat customers. If eBay simply dont want my money I guess thats an outcome I'd just have to deal with. But when they cant be bothered, or are incapable of dealing with a problem that goes a little off-script, it is just plain frustrating. Even more fristrating is this is a problem THEY CREATED.

 

Presently I have a leaking roof, my car rego is due and it doesn't look like I'll be able to make my mortgage payment this month.

 

I guess this was bound to happen, so my advice to anyone with inititative and a sensible business idea considering opening an ebay store is just dont bother. Unless you are dop-shipping cheap plastic gizmo's out of a factory in southern China, its just not worth the agony.

 

Thanks for listening to my story. If anyone from eBay is employed to moderate these forums, and suffficiently connected within the larger business to bring my complaint to the attention of someone who doesn't work in a call centre, I'd like to hear from you also.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Roseworthy - I fully understand what you are saying however the OP currently has 1960 listings so with that number of current listings by changing a few things there is still a chance they can improve their customer satisfaction.

 

Ebay is definitely a difficult platform for both sellers and buyers to understand which why, as Clarry has mentioned, it is important to explore all options for your business.

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I just dont get it. As small sellers go, their business as a buyer also goes, and as they spread world of how Ebay can't be trusted other buyers will mistrust ebay too..After all why whould you risk your money to a venue where the sellers themselves don't trust the venue.

 

This results in the few "big sellers' and a diminished pool of buyers..So why would big sellers stay? They are big enough to have their own venues, there is no incentive for them either, so they will leave.

 

Do Ebay want to end up sitting around in offices with nothing to do but deny reality?

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of the 1960 listings the OP still has, as he says, any that are GTC expire at the end of their 30 days and he is unable to relist them or list anything new. If you key the OPs listings into time ending soonest search, you will see how little time some of his listings are expiring in. The first lot are expiring in the next 24 hours and although they may be good til cancelled, Ebay will not allow them to be relisted. If you go to the last page of his time ending soonest, you will see the last of the Ops listings finish in less than 10 days - so the Op has only 10 days of sales possibilities to try and lift his percentage, even though he has 1960 listings. The last listing the OP was able to make was on 4th May (search by items newly listed ) and if the percentage did not come up in the last 20 days, then I doubt it will come up in the next 10 to where it needs to be.

With sales diminishing for Ebay sellers on a day by day basis and his items now bottom of the best match search lists, because he is below standard, unless a buyer keys in price plus postage lowest first, the Ops items will not sell anyhow.

You are right Jen, Ebay has always been a difficult platform, but now it has become insanely difficult. What is happening now defies any logic of any sort.

Our only hope now is that so many disenfranchised sellers worldwide will start moving to other platforms and the speed will pick up on those other platforms.

However, the emotional and financial wound that Ebay is inflicting on very good and long term loyal sellers the world over is callous, unneccesary in my opinion and is unlikely be forgotten or forgiven by the majority of victims - of whom there is a ever increasing number world wide every day..
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@jensmanchester-australia wrote:

 

 

In some instances buyers report being required to make immediate payment through paypal –

 

When you have had this issue have you checked the listing to see if it is the buyer misunderstanding the payment instructions or whether in actual fact instant payment is showing on the listing. Many buyers think that when the Pay Now button comes up that means they have to pay immediately. I have had this conversation on several occasions with buyers and every time it has been a misunderstanding of the payment process by the buyer.

 

 

 


Agree with all your other points, but just wanted to mention immediate payment required being an issue is very real, threads discussing this phenomenon go back over a year, and I have personally logged into other sites to test out what happens with the listings the sellers were referring to (on the Aus site, immediate payment wasn't required, but I tested the exact same listings at the same time on the UK and US sites, suddenly immediate payment was required and as the OP sells worldwide, it could be affecting their listings).

 

 What happens is that immediate payment required is enforced on the other sites (but not the Aus site), and not only that, but the 'Add to cart' button is also removed, so even if the seller has automated postage discounts, the buyer can't access them in any way whatsoever if they remain on their own site, and yes.... coincidentally this issue started just before eBay introduced FVF on postage here, and so far has only seemd to affect Aussie seller's listings on those international sites, thus maximising the FVF charged on postage because A) our OS postage costs are high, and eBay charge it on the full amount (unlike the domestic quote as in the US) and B), there's no opportunity to reduce the postage quote.

 

eBay's answer to this problem has been many and varied, ranging from "it's not a problem" (of course), to saying it was introduced (in select categories) because buyers making large orders were opening disputes on all items when they only had a problem with one... all utter rot, just IMO, and I've been saying for ages it's the biggest (FVF) scam eBay are currently getting away with. (The other one being dividing postage paid by number of items in the order, and rounding up the charge after the percentage is worked out). 

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Thanks for the info DG. I haven't actually encountered that at all and up until the last few months most of my non payers were from the US so it appears Immediate payment wasn't being enforced on my listings in the US. I have a few particular items which were particularly attractive to overseas buyers so a couple of months ago I did add instant Payment to those items to try and stop the number of non payers. I found it worked so well for those items that about 10 days ago I added Immediate Payment to all my BIN items and, touch wood, so far it has been working very well.

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soundsugly, crow & roseworthy
 
Absolutely heartbreaking stories, roseworthy you had me in tears, this is all so wrong, there are no words to adequately describe the situation.  I cannot begin to imagine how soul destroying it must be for each of you.  I did read an article that suggested the defective system was soon to be overhauled as it is a failure & totally unfair, but that probably won't help sellers who are restricted or banished in the meanwhile - unless they are somehow able to make it retrospective, as they did with the defects in the first place  - possibly a bit too much to expect & too hard for these guys !  And after the disrespect shown to you, even if you were invited back, I'm sure pride would stop you from returning.  But at the end of the day, if other platforms still weren't producing the same results, it would be worth swallowing your pride.  That is of course all very hypothetical & possibly just 'talk'.
 
What a sad sad day to hear of such disgraceful treatment of good, loyal sellers.
 
Huh, someone started a thread today asking if we could say something positive - well after reading this thread - NO, absolutely NO !
 
All I can say is that I'm so sorry to hear of the situation you find yourselves in and I wish you all the very best in the future
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Those believing you can work your way up the search list etc are full of it. You cannot. Not matter what prices you have, what service, what feedback. 

 

In my catagory I had the cheapest prices, 100% feedback (until 3 weeks ago..lol), free post, higher ratings. You name it. But got nowhere. The same seller has been on top from the very first day best match began and has NEVER been off top. Even when they were dearer and had plenty of negatives.  

 

Ebay feed the biggest load of garbage to those who ask how as they have no idea themselves. The reason being there is NO 'algorythm' 

 

It is totally fabricated.

 

The only way you can be on top of 'best match' etc is by Ebay allowing you to with their 'favoured' seller list.

 

What it takes to be favoured by Ebay? Well there are a couple of rumors regarding that.

 

 

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i believe only sellers look at that "Best Match" thing. All buyers I know don't use it.  So why get angry over it?

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Its just soooo fluffed up  .....  eBays greed priority is crazy, crazy bananas ....

 

... asian porn allowed, overseas sellers listing goods in Oz when they are not, large sellers with hundreds of negs and neutrals unchecked, ridiculous search results, defective seller rating systems, restricting long term sellers after years of loyality and good service ....

 

 

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@bsal6160 wrote:

i believe only sellers look at that "Best Match" thing. All buyers I know don't use it.  So why get angry over it?


Depends what you are looking for. If its a particular item for a particular use eg spare part, then best match is not useful.

 

An opposite example say a dress for a function. No particular brand, they are all individual so no reason to sort by price ranking comparison, typically BIN ( so no ending soonest requirement) as you want to buy something when you see it, not wait a week to see if may be you will or wont win it. So search for example size 12 sleeveless red dress, click go, see what comes up and if any grab your eye.

 

A search like this produces 1500 results...so yes it matters if all your listings are being ranked down the bottom, you get few views, few watchers, which in turn has an impact on ranking and keeps you there

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