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Have we been conned

the_hawk* — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 01:42:32 GMT

What is the truth

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261577/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-Met-Office-report-reveals-MoS-got-right-warming--deniers-now.html

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kengillard — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 02:12:26 GMT

They are supposedly meteorological experts? So it's prob. true.

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lakeland27 — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 02:16:38 GMT

what is the truth ? thats a very odd question considering an overwhelming majority of climate scientists have made it very clear. try looking at the current situation in australia without pre-concieved views.. its so b obvious things are very different here now, i don't need articles from o'seas newspapers telling me it isn't happening.. i can see it for myself.

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the_hawk* — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 02:25:48 GMT

what is the truth ? thats a very odd question considering an overwhelming majority of climate scientists have made it very clear. try looking at the current situation in australia without pre-concieved views.. its so b obvious things are very different here now, i don't need articles from o'seas newspapers telling me it isn't happening.. i can see it for myself.

LL we were spun the b about global warming and when evidence started to come out it wasn't happening they changed horses and then claimed it was climate change.

Well things have always been changing

Sahara desert once a lush green forest with a large population

http://tinyurl.com/azmzmwd

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the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 02:33:47 GMT

So what in practical terms and as far as our planet is concerned is the difference between global warming and climate change. it's not the fact that the climate is changing i.e. getting warmer, that is of concern - it is the speed at which it is currently happening.

Simply noting that the Sahara was once a lush green forest is meaningless. What we need to be asking is how long ago was this? How rapidly did it become a desert? Is the desert area still expanding and if so how rapidly?

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the_hawk* — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 02:40:38 GMT

GSE my point was it has always been changing and will continue to change.

The change in weather patterns I believe has far more to do with the mass destruction of forests around the world than carbon from fuels.

Just remember what all those trees have been storing for thousands of years that are now being released

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lakeland27 — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 03:04:40 GMT

LL we were spun the b about global warming and when evidence started to come out it wasn't happening they changed horses and then claimed it was climate change.

Well things have always been changing

Sahara desert once a lush green forest with a large population

http://tinyurl.com/azmzmwd

man -made Warming is the underlying cause of climate change. terminology is not particularly relevant .. unless its all you have. Evidence /Proof is overwhelming and the name put to it irrelevant really.

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lakeland27 — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 03:06:04 GMT

GSE my point was it has always been changing and will continue to change.

The change in weather patterns I believe has far more to do with the mass destruction of forests around the world than carbon from fuels.

Just remember what all those trees have been storing for thousands of years that are now being released

cutting down a tree does not release carbon. it needs to be burnt.

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the_hawk* — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 03:19:29 GMT

and after it been pulped and turned into paper how much do you think gets burnt

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lakeland27 — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 03:25:30 GMT

then it becomes carbon and a cause. no argument there.

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the_hawk* — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 03:42:58 GMT

do you also realise that when you buy new tieres for your can you pay a $10 levy for a disposal fee of the old tire.

Did you also know that most are then shipped to places like India to be burnt, so much for the environment and our government knows this takes place and allows it

google burning tires in india

Did you also know that our scrap copper wire is shipped to third world countries like India to have the plastic burnt of it so it can be recycled

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lakeland27 — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 03:52:29 GMT

Bob jane dont charge the levy in victoria on tires. before they were dumped on properties in the western district. My uncle had a large electrical business in Adelaide, he used to burn the plastic off himself like most.. so there were lots of small fires once. lots of small fires have much the same effect i'd say.

its difficult to control what happens in India, but a cap and trade system would encourage them to stop those practices.. and one is in the pipeline.

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patchoo78 — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 04:15:59 GMT

The only thing I could find relating to tires in India is that they cut them up to make inexpensive shoes out of... Great idea

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the_hawk* — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 04:18:13 GMT

what I am saying is the whole system is corrupt and we are all being conned.

They are as in our Government telling us we need to do more and charging a carbon tax yet are allowing practices like those mentioned to go on without doing any thing to stamp it out because it happens where no one can see it.

It would be so simple to make sure every thing going out of this country as scrap has to be processed to some standard or it doesn't get shipped.

But it doesn't suit them to actually do something to prevent mass pollution and environment vandalism as long as they can rip us off.

Back yard burning has been banned in SA for 30 years in residential areas now and areas like I am in where we can burn we can only burn things like branches and twigs to reduce fire risks, things like plastic and rubber are totally banned

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lakeland27 — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 04:45:21 GMT

how are you being ripped off ?

by paying for 'the advertiser' or wasting bandwidth on UK rubbish tabloids.?

since the introduction of the carbon tax emissions from electricity production is down 8.5 per cent in six months. it works .

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the_hawk* — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 05:10:18 GMT

how are you being ripped off ?

by paying for 'the advertiser' or wasting bandwidth on UK rubbish tabloids.?

since the introduction of the carbon tax emissions from electricity production is down 8.5 per cent in six months. it works .

By a tax thats not doing any thing besides reducing demand by pumping prices as a quick cash grab with a dodgy tax while allowing pollution to carry on by turning a blind eye to what is being done with our waste in third world countries, it all seems rather hypocritical to me while claiming to be so concerned about global changes.

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silverfaun — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 05:16:29 GMT

Just drinkin the Kool Aid, nothing to see here, move along,. I'm just drinkin the Kool Aid.]:)

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lakeland27 — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 05:53:08 GMT

By a tax thats not doing any thing besides reducing demand by pumping prices as a quick cash grab with a dodgy tax while allowing pollution to carry on by turning a blind eye to what is being done with our waste in third world countries, it all seems rather hypocritical to me while claiming to be so concerned about global changes.

an 8.6 % reduction in electricity emissions is something, not nothing. it isn't hard to understand. i'll leave you to it.

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just_me_karen — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 06:16:39 GMT

What a paranoid, tin foil hat, stipid thread :^O

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freakiness — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 06:24:06 GMT

what I am saying is the whole system is corrupt and we are all being conned.

Like in a mad max movie?