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Centre shows Rudd dishonest on PNG: Abbott

icyfroth — Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:12:51 GMT

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has accused Prime Minister Kevin Rudd of dishonesty over his pledge to transfer all boat people to Papua New Guinea after it was revealed the government is planning a new detention facility in NSW.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/08/03/01/48/money-for-nsw-and-nt-detention-centres

Friday's economic update from the government showed $43.5 million allocated to providing 1000 detention places at a Singleton defence site in the Hunter Valley.

Mr Abbott said the detention plan "just exposes yet again Kevin Rudd's dishonesty", coming so soon after the prime minister announced his tough policy of transferring all boat arrivals to PNG.

Asylum seekers who arrive by boat have been told they have no chance of resettlement in Australia.

"Kevin Rudd said a fortnight ago every single person who arrives illegally by boat will go to PNG, and none of them will ever come to Australia," Mr Abbott told reporters in Melbourne.

"Well hang on a minute - how can he be telling us that they're all going to go to PNG when at the same time the word slips out yesterday that they're building a new detention centre at Singleton."

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icyfroth — Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:24:11 GMT

try to concentrate, Donna

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donnashuggy — Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:25:27 GMT

I'm well versed, no concentration required.

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icyfroth — Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:27:18 GMT

good. stick with it.

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cherry*135 — Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:36:42 GMT

Singleton detention centre 'a contingency plan', says local member Joel Fitzgibbon

Updated 7 hours 49 minutes ago

The Federal MP for the Hunter Valley says he was not told about plans to build an immigration detention centre in his electorate because the proposed centre is unlikely to be used.

The Federal Government's budget update has allocated $43 million to build facility with the capacity to house up to 1,000 asylum seekers at the Defence Force base in Singleton.

Local member and Minister for Agriculture Fisheries and Forestry, Joel Fitzgibbon, says the plans are merely an insurance policy.

"I'm advised it would be a contingency, invoked if we suddenly got a totally unexpected rush of people that would need to be accommodated somewhere on a temporary basis," Mr Fitzgibbon said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-03/joel-fitzgibbon-says-detention-centre-is-contingency-plan/4863134

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icyfroth — Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:13:11 GMT

'night all night owls

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***super_nova*** — Sat, 03 Aug 2013 22:02:33 GMT

How is it being "dishonest about PNG"? There are people who will be arriving in Australia by other means than boats and may have to be detained. Of-course, TA is a master of twisting everything, and in this moment is really clutching to straws.

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i-need-a-martini — Sat, 03 Aug 2013 22:41:14 GMT

Is Tony Abbott really that stupid?

We have detention centres in this country to house illegal immigrants. These are the people that fly in, overstay their visas, get caught and are waiting to be deported.

Villawood Detention Centre in NSW is a good example. It is a detention centre for people that overstay their visas.

There are others dotted around the country.

Does he suggest we send these people to PNG? Or lock them up in a correctional facility

You've got to wonder where his brain is sometimes.

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polksaladallie — Sat, 03 Aug 2013 22:52:40 GMT

@i-need-a-martini wrote:
Is Tony Abbott really that stupid?

We have detention centres in this country to house illegal immigrants. These are the people that fly in, overstay their visas, get caught and are waiting to be deported.

Villawood Detention Centre in NSW is a good example. It is a detention centre for people that overstay their visas.

There are others dotted around the country.

Does he suggest we send these people to PNG? Or lock them up in a correctional facility

You've got to wonder where his brain is sometimes.

He might be, but his remarks are directed to those who are. Those who are the recipients of the fear and racism propaganda.

The general public would be surprised at the number of detention centres already holding illegal immigrants, most of whom arrived by plane. A lot are being held in motels etc., it would be less costly for them to be held in a purpose built detention centre, Singleton or elsewhere.

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***super_nova*** — Sat, 03 Aug 2013 23:17:56 GMT

Not to mention that detention centres provide jobs for the community. First there will be jobs building new facilities and upgrading the existing buildings, then there will be people required to work there. Materials would be sourced locally. Even if specialised staff comes from elsewhere they will live and shop in the town. Whatever is allocated to get the facility running would go into the community. Why is it that people do not seem to understand that if some project costs $X amount, it is not money sent to the moon?

That is money that is paid back to people in one form or another.

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icyfroth — Sun, 04 Aug 2013 02:12:56 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
Not to mention that detention centres provide jobs for the community. First there will be jobs building new facilities and upgrading the existing buildings, then there will be people required to work there. Materials would be sourced locally. Even if specialised staff comes from elsewhere they will live and shop in the town. Whatever is allocated to get the facility running would go into the community. Why is it that people do not seem to understand that if some project costs $X amount, it is not money sent to the moon?
That is money that is paid back to people in one form or another.

Which is why it makes no sense to me to be spending up big to build facilities and provide resources in PNG to settle the refuges. Why can't we spend the money here in Australia providing housing and other resettlement resources. That way at least we'd be getting some return by keeping the money here and creating employment.

Country towns are crying out for people to come and revive them. Australia is such a big place, why do they all have to live in the city?

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sniper_patrol — Sun, 04 Aug 2013 03:01:25 GMT

Icyfroth wrote......................

Which is why it makes no sense to me to be spending up big to build facilities and provide resources in PNG to settle the refuges.

Why can't we spend the money here in Australia providing housing and other resettlement resources.

How hard is it to understand that what Mr Rudd is trying to do is send a strong message to People Smugglers.

That's the main purpose of the arrangement with PNG. To STOP the People smugglers and break their business of putting people on boats.

Of course there are detention centres around Australia. How does Abbott not realise that.?

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***super_nova*** — Sun, 04 Aug 2013 23:42:39 GMT

Why can't we spend the money here in Australia providing housing and other resettlement resources. That way at least we'd be getting some return by keeping the money here and creating employment.
Country towns are crying out for people to come and revive them. Australia is such a big place, why do they all have to live in the city?

Well, the off-shore processing was started by the Howard government. He did it for no good reason and was a total waste of money, at least Rudd is doing it trying to stop the boats. Hope it will work when people in Indonesia will realise that to come to be settled in Australia they must not board the boats. In that case, there will not be money going to PNG. I am hoping that we start processing people in Indonesia and bringing them in, maybe first placing them in Singleton, if the centre will go ahead.

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izabsmiling — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 00:11:02 GMT

why doesn't he just let them come here and work?

because he is trying to do what the the loudest voices want (ie;the Andrew Bolts of our Country)

Those loud voices who proclaim to care about lives lost while spreading words of fear and hate that John Howard started with his children overboard lies ..we don't want people like this in our Country.Loud voices that say these people are dangerous,the security checks aren't good enough,these people are taking our jobs ,our money,our houses,have no respect for our Rights ,we will be taken over blah blah blah

Those loud voices are being heard and yet they still have a problem ?

I think some just like to make noise because they can .

... the reaction some of those loud voices would have if he did just that ? doesn't take any imagination really

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not_an_eloi — Mon, 02 Sep 2013 06:34:50 GMT

tony burke announed today that the base at singleton will no longer be necessary, funds can now be freed up and spent on other projects.

(shades)

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azureline** — Mon, 02 Sep 2013 07:05:17 GMT

Well, Icy. It is to placate those who don't want asylum seekers on our land.............

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not_an_eloi — Mon, 02 Sep 2013 07:58:31 GMT

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kengillard — Mon, 02 Sep 2013 08:51:16 GMT

like the barbers cat eloi? LOL doubt it!!