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Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

donnashuggy — Sun, 04 Aug 2013 23:54:11 GMT

I thought he said he would once the election was called.

Makes him look a bit weak.

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

polksaladallie — Sun, 04 Aug 2013 23:57:21 GMT

His boss might be "tired and emotional" and won't have time to coach him.

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

lakeland27 — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 00:24:51 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
I thought he said he would once the election was called.

Makes him look a bit weak.

thats because he is. no ticker.

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

donnashuggy — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 00:53:32 GMT

I thought it might be because the Sunday night audience would be larger, Big Brother is on tonight lol

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

izabsmiling — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 00:56:08 GMT

Did he say that he would do so ....

"In the heat of a discussion" ?

because " voters should not believe every pledge he makes unless it is written down as the "gospel truth".

you know that

"sometimes "absolute weight" could be placed on what is said and other times it was just the "give and take of standard conversation".

as he has also said "I know politicians are going to be judged on everything they say but sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark," he said.

"The statements that need to be taken absolutely as gospel truth are those carefully prepared scripted remarks."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archive/news/dont-believe-everything-i-say-tony-abbott/story-e6frf7l6-1225867979082

debates require unscripted replies don't they ?

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

1sweetap6v8 — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 08:23:34 GMT

LOL your obviously rusted on labor if you dont cant or wont understand what he has said on the matter . He will debate Rudd as soon as he calls the election a perfect and open political ploy nothing dirty about that just calling Rudds bluff.

And true to his word unlike Rudd and Gillard he has today announced 3 not 1 but 3 debates with your beloved Rudd of a backflip policy on the run money wasting meglomaniac all less than 12 hrs after the election was called.

What more could you want as unlike Labor (current) they seem to be a much steadier ship on course not way of course like they have a broken rudder.

I was born and bred Labor but you would simply have to be crackers to even consider voting for them and or the crazy greens.

Bring it on isnt that what Gillard said. Oh she also promised she would leed labor to the next election. Just another lie chalked up.

And hows Rudds little stunt TRUST ME LOL you would have to be crackers to even let him borrow the news paper.

What a Joke of a party at the moment they are. To think I actually supported labor is shameful. Rudd dirtied the water was all part of the blood spilling for 7 years Gillard was a wanna be Shorten is as dirt as they come the list is endless. What a shame.

If they get in on Sept 7 this country deserves everything that these clown do and believe me it aint gonna be anything good.

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

lakeland27 — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 08:23:54 GMT

@1sweetap6v8 wrote:

LOL your obviously rusted on labor if you dont cant or wont understand what he has said on the matter . He will debate Rudd as soon as he calls the election a perfect and open political ploy nothing dirty about that just calling Rudds bluff.

And true to his word unlike Rudd and Gillard he has today announced 3 not 1 but 3 debates with your beloved Rudd of a backflip policy on the run money wasting meglomaniac all less than 12 hrs after the election was called.

What more could you want as unlike Labor (current) they seem to be a much steadier ship on course not way of course like they have a broken rudder.

I was born and bred Labor but you would simply have to be crackers to even consider voting for them and or the crazy greens.

Bring it on isnt that what Gillard said. Oh she also promised she would leed labor to the next election. Just another lie chalked up.

And hows Rudds little stunt TRUST ME LOL you would have to be crackers to even let him borrow the news paper.

What a Joke of a party at the moment they are. To think I actually supported labor is shameful. Rudd dirtied the water was all part of the blood spilling for 7 years Gillard was a wanna be Shorten is as dirt as they come the list is endless. What a shame.

If they get in on Sept 7 this country deserves everything that these clown do and believe me it aint gonna be anything good.

Abbott must debate at some stage, even if he's **bleep** at it. that is not an excuse.

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

izabsmiling — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 01:09:17 GMT

Will this be the 1st time you have voted ?

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

crystal**flake — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 01:40:45 GMT

I think abbott knows that rudd will win, abbott isn't really a very good speaker.

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

donnashuggy — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 02:53:35 GMT

Well Abbott is a comedian, he said when questioned earlier that he had been debating Rudd on the radio this morning

Because all the questions put to him were from Rudd lol

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

freakiness — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 08:24:45 GMT

@1sweetap6v8 wrote:

LOL your obviously rusted on labor if you dont cant or wont understand what he has said on the matter . He will debate Rudd as soon as he calls the election a perfect and open political ploy nothing dirty about that just calling Rudds bluff.

And true to his word unlike Rudd and Gillard he has today announced 3 not 1 but 3 debates with your beloved Rudd of a backflip policy on the run money wasting meglomaniac all less than 12 hrs after the election was called.

What more could you want as unlike Labor (current) they seem to be a much steadier ship on course not way of course like they have a broken rudder.

I was born and bred Labor but you would simply have to be crackers to even consider voting for them and or the crazy greens.

Bring it on isnt that what Gillard said. Oh she also promised she would leed labor to the next election. Just another lie chalked up.

And hows Rudds little stunt TRUST ME LOL you would have to be crackers to even let him borrow the news paper.

What a Joke of a party at the moment they are. To think I actually supported labor is shameful. Rudd dirtied the water was all part of the blood spilling for 7 years Gillard was a wanna be Shorten is as dirt as they come the list is endless. What a shame.

If they get in on Sept 7 this country deserves everything that these clown do and believe me it aint gonna be anything good.

The 3 encounters you mention are not 3 debates.

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

small_creeps_friend — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 05:49:06 GMT

Horses for courses....

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

***super_nova*** — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 06:32:56 GMT

Yet another Abbott lie

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

donnashuggy — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 06:40:06 GMT

Surely this isn't going to wash with the public?

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

catsnknots — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 06:57:39 GMT

@crystal**flake wrote:
I think abbott knows that rudd will win, abbott isn't really a very good speaker.

having met Abbott personally I can tell you he is a very good speaker....

Wait unti the debates and then you will see how Abbott shines in community meet and greets and discussions.

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

monman12 — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 07:03:52 GMT

"The leader that's trailing in the polls always wants more debates," said Professor Ian McAllister from the Australian National University."
"It's rare for a debate to swing an election," Professor McAllister said."

"The Liberal Party believes the first debate should be held next Sunday afternoon or evening at the National Press Club in Canberra," wrote the Coalition's campaign director Brian Loughnane last night."

"expect the circular debate about the debates to continue."

"The leader that's trailing in the polls always wants more debates"

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Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

lakeland27 — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 07:14:18 GMT

@monman12 wrote:
"The leader that's trailing in the polls always wants more debates," said Professor Ian McAllister from the Australian National University."
"It's rare for a debate to swing an election," Professor McAllister said."

"The Liberal Party believes the first debate should be held next Sunday afternoon or evening at the National Press Club in Canberra," wrote the Coalition's campaign director Brian Loughnane last night."

"expect the circular debate about the debates to continue."

"The leader that's trailing in the polls always wants more debates"
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from what i can see the libs are marginally ahead in Newspoll. i'd be waiting for others.. at this stage nobody is 'trailing'

so the statement is not relevant. abbotts duck and weave will cost him.

the absence of oakshott/windsor is the big hurdle.

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

donnashuggy — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 07:19:00 GMT

Labor are improving in marginal seats, that is the important part.

They can realistically win.

Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

monman12 — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 07:19:02 GMT

LL: "from what i can see the libs are marginally ahead in Newspoll. i'd be waiting for others.. at this stage nobody is 'trailing'.......

the absence of oakshott/windsor is the big hurdle."

If someone is ahead, then someone must be trailing !

Tatts 4.00 : 1.25

TAB 3.6 : 1.3

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Re: Is there a valid reason why Abbott won't debate Rudd tonight?

not_an_eloi — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 07:24:08 GMT

reckon there'll be three debates all up, first one next sunday

worm will be the one who's to the right of rudd.