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Dear Rupert

givemeaspell — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 01:16:20 GMT

Re: Dear Rupert

cherry*135 — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 02:19:02 GMT

That is good, people/businesses are making a stand.

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newstart2380 — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:24:29 GMT

Please correct me if I am wrong but I am of the understanding he has DUEL citizenship therefore has as much right as all of us to vote and have his say.

There would be others who fall into the same catagory but don't get a mention because they are not famous.

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lakeland27 — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:29:30 GMT

no, he doesn't.

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katydidthat — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:30:14 GMT

No, he's an American citizen now ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_murdoch

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newstart2380 — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:36:45 GMT

@katydidthat wrote:
No, he's an American citizen now ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_murdoch

I stand corrected.

Re: Dear Rupert

newstart2380 — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:42:20 GMT

@newstart2380 wrote:
@katydidthat wrote:
No, he's an American citizen now ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_murdoch
I stand corrected.
I looked this up and can understand why he did what he did, I think as a business person myself if I had to comply for business reasons I would have done the same.That does not make him or anyone who chooses to do this any less Australian, it was purely business related.

In 1985, media magnate Rupert Murdoch renounced his Australian citizenship and became a U.S. citizen and so was able to comply with the U.S. law that prohibits foreign ownership of television stations.This very wise business move helped Mr. Murdoch build a global entertainment empire that includes among its many subsidiaries the 20th Century Fox studios.?

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just_me_karen — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:46:23 GMT

So do you still support his interference in Australian politics?

I hope a lot of cafes are following the one in the OP.

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izabsmiling — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:49:40 GMT

NS posted:

I looked this up and can understand why he did what he did, I think as a business person myself if I had to comply for business reasons I would have done the same.That does not make him or anyone who chooses to do this any less Australian, it was purely business related.

He has to comply with other things as a business person too ..for business reasons doesn't he?

and

If someone gives up their citizenship they are no longer 'Australian citizens' and as such have no right to vote.

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cherry*135 — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:52:37 GMT

Murdoch had to renounce his Australian citizenship at the time he became a US citizen (1985?)

Australian citizenship lost in 1985 (under S17 of Australian Citizenship Act 1948) with acquisition of US nationality.

1. The Australian Citizenship Act 1948 was amended in April 2002 allowing Australian citizens to acquire the citizenship of another country without losing their Australian Citizenship.

2. I heard that the US and Canada don't allow Dual Citizenship. Is this true?

This is incorrect. Both the US and Canada now allow their citizens to hold multiple citizenships. Most references to the contrary are out of date since this has been resolved for at least ten years in the case of the United States and over twenty in the case of Canada. Note that the respective governments often couch dual citizenship in negative terms as few governments like to lose control over their citizens.

http://www.uscitizenship.info/citizenship-library-dual.htm

Going by 1. or 2. above, Murdoch would be able to resume/apply for his Australian citizenship if he wanted to? He was born in Melbourne.

Maybe he was miffed that he had to give it up in the first place and won't bother applying for it again? (I thought I read similar to that years ago).

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izabsmiling — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:54:45 GMT

It would be stupid of him to have a bad Attitude towards Australia because other Countries won't allow duel citizenship ?

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cherry*135 — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:06:17 GMT

He has been influential in politics (through publishing) in the US, the UK and Australia. Dual citizenship or not, that doesn't really change anything.

It was Australia that didn't allow dual citizenship at the time he sought US Citizenship.

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newstart2380 — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:10:55 GMT

@just_me_karen wrote:
So do you still support his interference in Australian politics?

I hope a lot of cafes are following the one in the OP.

Yes, his reporters have the right of free speech same as you and I but unfortunately for the LP all the positive views are pointed towards the NLP. I have said previously if RM's papers supported the LP KR would be lapping it up and the NLP would be complaining.

That's life and KR and his party just have to deal with it.

There are many big businesses who could be accused of interfering in politics for both sides the only difference is the papers have a bigger audience.

The cafe will not do itself any favours and should stay neutral, they have their business to think of and some would be NLP voters may take offense and go to the next coffee shop, a lost customer is hard to get back.

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izabsmiling — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:20:51 GMT

@newstart2380 wrote:
@just_me_karen wrote:
So do you still support his interference in Australian politics?

I hope a lot of cafes are following the one in the OP.
Yes, his reporters have the right of free speech same as you and I but unfortunately for the LP all the positive views are pointed towards the NLP. I have said previously if RM's papers supported the LP KR would be lapping it up and the NLP would be complaining.
That's life and KR and his party just have to deal with it.
There are many big businesses who could be accused of interfering in politics for both sides the only difference is the papers have a bigger audience.
The cafe will not do itself any favours and should stay neutral, they have their business to think of and some would be NLP voters may take offense and go to the next coffee shop, a lost customer is hard to get back.

The Cafe doesn't have this free speech you speak of ...because it is a business ?

Media = Business

does it not ?

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the_hawk* — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:27:10 GMT

Is there a law that states he cant have an opinion or is it just your opinion that thinks he cant

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the_great_she_elephant — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:27:55 GMT

Newstart , Do you really believe that Rupert. Murdoch exercise no editorial control over his papers and that it is merely a coincidence that every single reporter on every single one of his papers exercises their right to favour the LNP in every one of their articles?
If you really do believe something so patently absurd then you are a lot more naive than I took you for, and if you don't believe it, why would you want to make yourself look foolish by pretending to?

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just_me_karen — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:28:37 GMT

It's called ethics

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the_hawk* — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:29:39 GMT

@just_me_karen wrote:
It's called ethics

LOL

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freddie*rooster — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:31:49 GMT

@just_me_karen wrote:
It's called ethics

Which he lacks, he's a grub.

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katydidthat — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:45:03 GMT

I've got dual nationality: born in England, with an Australian mother. If I wanted to stand for election in Australia (certainly for Federal Parliament), I would have to renounce my British/European citizenship. That would mean that I could no longer travel to the UK or Europe because I can't get a visa if I have a right to a UK/Euro passport.