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What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

the_bob_delusion — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 08:58:06 GMT

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/new-y ork-bikers-road-rage-video/

The New York City Police Department said a man driving a Range Rover with his wife and 2-year-old daughter inside Sunday struck a motorcyclist on Manhattan's West Side Highway, breaking his leg.

The SUV driver pulled over, and the bikers surrounded his vehicle, hitting it and spiking the tires, police said. The driver pulled away, hitting three more bikers in the process, police said.

Should the driver in the SUV be charged?

What do you think of bikers?

What would you have done if you were the driver in the SUV?

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

freshwater-2 — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:02:48 GMT

I would have grabbed my family.......and run like the clappers from the bikie gang..

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

*ibis — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:02:30 GMT

biker?

que

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

kennedia_nigricans — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:08:18 GMT

from what i have seen it looks like one of the bikers slowed down without a reason and the SUV drove into him.

in my opinion they are both at fault.

if you ride a motorbike you must be aware of what is going around you as car drivers behave like morons towards you, not noticing a 200 kg bike etc..... they just seem to be blind, only notivcing cars

the SUV driver should have kept a bigger distance to the bike.

the reaction of the other bikies was unreasonable.

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

*crikey*mate* — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:38:03 GMT

@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/new-y ork-bikers-road-rage-video/

The New York City Police Department said a man driving a Range Rover with his wife and 2-year-old daughter inside Sunday struck a motorcyclist on Manhattan's West Side Highway, breaking his leg.

The SUV driver pulled over, and the bikers surrounded his vehicle, hitting it and spiking the tires, police said. The driver pulled away, hitting three more bikers in the process, police said.

Should the driver in the SUV be charged? yes he should be charged for all 4. (were the other 3 injured, or just damage to their bikes?) Hopefully self defence or necessity is a defence for whatever he is charged for and the judge will take the circumstances into account though for the other 3. But the law must be applied equally, the police should not get to pick who gets charged and who doesn't. That's not their job.

What do you think of bikers? Temporary Australians.

What would you have done if you were the driver in the SUV? exactly what the driver did in this scenario. attempted to flee to keep my family safe.

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

the_bob_delusion — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 10:19:29 GMT

@crikey*mate wrote:
@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/new-y ork-bikers-road-rage-video/

The New York City Police Department said a man driving a Range Rover with his wife and 2-year-old daughter inside Sunday struck a motorcyclist on Manhattan's West Side Highway, breaking his leg.

The SUV driver pulled over, and the bikers surrounded his vehicle, hitting it and spiking the tires, police said. The driver pulled away, hitting three more bikers in the process, police said.

Should the driver in the SUV be charged? yes he should be charged for all 4. (were the other 3 injured, or just damage to their bikes?) Hopefully self defence or necessity is a defence for whatever he is charged for and the judge will take the circumstances into account though for the other 3. But the law must be applied equally, the police should not get to pick who gets charged and who doesn't. That's not their job.

Interesting answer. I like it. I guess you can argue that a couple of those riders were just innocent bystanders and they have the right to feel cheated if the driver wasn't at least charged. However, those hurt should also blame the other riders for threatening the driver of the SUV, if they haven't done that, he wouldn't have been forced to respond the way he did.

I don't believe the driver will be charged as it does seem like self defence.

If a gang surrounds your car, denting it and slashing the tyres, no reasonable person would stop and get out of their car.

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

freakiness — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 10:55:18 GMT

@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
@crikey*mate wrote:
@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/new-y ork-bikers-road-rage-video/

The New York City Police Department said a man driving a Range Rover with his wife and 2-year-old daughter inside Sunday struck a motorcyclist on Manhattan's West Side Highway, breaking his leg.

The SUV driver pulled over, and the bikers surrounded his vehicle, hitting it and spiking the tires, police said. The driver pulled away, hitting three more bikers in the process, police said.

Should the driver in the SUV be charged? yes he should be charged for all 4. (were the other 3 injured, or just damage to their bikes?) Hopefully self defence or necessity is a defence for whatever he is charged for and the judge will take the circumstances into account though for the other 3. But the law must be applied equally, the police should not get to pick who gets charged and who doesn't. That's not their job.

Interesting answer. I like it. I guess you can argue that a couple of those riders were just innocent bystanders and they have the right to feel cheated if the driver wasn't at least charged. However, those hurt should also blame the other riders for threatening the driver of the SUV, if they haven't done that, he wouldn't have been forced to respond the way he did.

I don't believe the driver will be charged as it does seem like self defence.

If a gang surrounds your car, denting it and slashing the tyres, no reasonable person would stop and get out of their car.

It looks as if he had no real choice but to plough through them. According to another story I read about this they were trying to force cars off the road and preventing cars from entering the highway so they had a clear run of bikes only.

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

jimmy*part4 — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 10:57:17 GMT

I don't know Bob, from what I see the SUV was tailgating the bikers. It wasn't as if the bikers were pointing a gun at him when he drove over them, they probably were telling him off for tailgating them.

I won't tailgate a single biker....they're usually stuck behind a slow driver, otherwise they are out of site in no time.

A hundred bikers! Yeah....I'm giving them all the room they want!

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

freakiness — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:04:43 GMT

@*jimmeh* wrote:
I don't know Bob, from what I see the SUV was tailgating the bikers. It wasn't as if the bikers were pointing a gun at him when he drove over them, they probably were telling him off for tailgating them.

I won't tailgate a single biker....they're usually stuck behind a slow driver, otherwise they are out of site in no time.

A hundred bikers! Yeah....I'm giving them all the room they want!

In one of the videos you can see the bike pulling in front of the SUV before almost stopping.

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

jimmy*part4 — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:15:24 GMT

@freakiness wrote:
@*jimmeh* wrote:
I don't know Bob, from what I see the SUV was tailgating the bikers. It wasn't as if the bikers were pointing a gun at him when he drove over them, they probably were telling him off for tailgating them.

I won't tailgate a single biker....they're usually stuck behind a slow driver, otherwise they are out of site in no time.

A hundred bikers! Yeah....I'm giving them all the room they want!
In one of the videos you can see the bike pulling in front of the SUV before almost stopping.

Yes, and just before that...right at the beginning you can see him tailgating a different biker. Tough to say because is that where it started? I saw the results of a biker getting ran over. With that in mind....right at the beginning of the video....I would have not gotten that close, I would have just pulled to side and let them pass.

Maybe if the Mayor had not rejected their application for the gathering, none of this would have happened.

They do for every other "group".

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

*crikey*mate* — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:15:34 GMT

@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
@crikey*mate wrote:
@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/new-y ork-bikers-road-rage-video/

The New York City Police Department said a man driving a Range Rover with his wife and 2-year-old daughter inside Sunday struck a motorcyclist on Manhattan's West Side Highway, breaking his leg.

The SUV driver pulled over, and the bikers surrounded his vehicle, hitting it and spiking the tires, police said. The driver pulled away, hitting three more bikers in the process, police said.

Should the driver in the SUV be charged? yes he should be charged for all 4. (were the other 3 injured, or just damage to their bikes?) Hopefully self defence or necessity is a defence for whatever he is charged for and the judge will take the circumstances into account though for the other 3. But the law must be applied equally, the police should not get to pick who gets charged and who doesn't. That's not their job.

Interesting answer. I like it. I guess you can argue that a couple of those riders were just innocent bystanders and they have the right to feel cheated if the driver wasn't at least charged. However, those hurt should also blame the other riders for threatening the driver of the SUV, if they haven't done that, he wouldn't have been forced to respond the way he did.

I don't believe the driver will be charged as it does seem like self defence.

If a gang surrounds your car, denting it and slashing the tyres, no reasonable person would stop and get out of their car.

Bob, whether the other bikers were innocent or not is irrelevant to the question "should the man in the SUV be charged".

They are two separate issues. The bikers need to be charged for their indescressions and so does the SUV driver. Our laws do not operate on "an eye for an eye". We may be able to justify an action, but that doesn't make it legal.

If they had have murdered someone, then we could justify it for the man to murder them, but it doesn't make it legal.

Anyone who breaks the law needs to be answerable and that is not up to the police to determine.

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

the_bob_delusion — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:22:27 GMT

@crikey*mate wrote:
@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
@crikey*mate wrote:
@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/new-y ork-bikers-road-rage-video/

The New York City Police Department said a man driving a Range Rover with his wife and 2-year-old daughter inside Sunday struck a motorcyclist on Manhattan's West Side Highway, breaking his leg.

The SUV driver pulled over, and the bikers surrounded his vehicle, hitting it and spiking the tires, police said. The driver pulled away, hitting three more bikers in the process, police said.

Should the driver in the SUV be charged? yes he should be charged for all 4. (were the other 3 injured, or just damage to their bikes?) Hopefully self defence or necessity is a defence for whatever he is charged for and the judge will take the circumstances into account though for the other 3. But the law must be applied equally, the police should not get to pick who gets charged and who doesn't. That's not their job.

Interesting answer. I like it. I guess you can argue that a couple of those riders were just innocent bystanders and they have the right to feel cheated if the driver wasn't at least charged. However, those hurt should also blame the other riders for threatening the driver of the SUV, if they haven't done that, he wouldn't have been forced to respond the way he did.

I don't believe the driver will be charged as it does seem like self defence.

If a gang surrounds your car, denting it and slashing the tyres, no reasonable person would stop and get out of their car.
Bob, whether the other bikers were innocent or not is irrelevant to the question "should the man in the SUV be charged".

They are two separate issues. The bikers need to be charged for their indescressions and so does the SUV driver. Our laws do not operate on "an eye for an eye". We may be able to justify an action, but that doesn't make it legal.

If they had have murdered someone, then we could justify it for the man to murder them, but it doesn't make it legal.

Anyone who breaks the law needs to be answerable and that is not up to the police to determine.

Ummm, if it's in self defense and if you have no other option. than that actually does make it legal .

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

*elizabeths-mum* — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:25:00 GMT

"The gang, called "Hollywood Stuntz," according to police, chased the man, and he was forced to stop because of flat tires.
The SUV driver was cornered and beaten, according to police. He was later treated at a local hospital for slashes to his face and released. His wife and child were not injured."

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

kennedia_nigricans — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:32:47 GMT

it's then bob

i would die from shame if a foreigner corrected my native languages grammar/spellling

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

the_hawk* — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 12:03:09 GMT

The best advise is to pay attention to whats going on around you and dont attempt to intimidate or drive aggressively around a group of bikes, they are not looking to give car drivers a hard time but if given a hard time things can change real fast.

This guy had better hope and pray the ones he injured are just individual riders and not gang members.

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

*pepe — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 12:18:07 GMT

@the_hawk* wrote:
The best advise is to pay attention to whats going on around you and dont attempt to intimidate or drive aggressively around a group of bikes, they are not looking to give car drivers a hard time but if given a hard time things can change real fast.
This guy had better hope and pray the ones he injured are just individual riders and not gang members.

hawke did you even look at the video and read any articles?

the rider who stopped in front of the suv has been charged, the suv driver has not been charged.

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

*crikey*mate* — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 12:26:56 GMT

@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
@crikey*mate wrote:
@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
@crikey*mate wrote:
@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/new-y ork-bikers-road-rage-video/

The New York City Police Department said a man driving a Range Rover with his wife and 2-year-old daughter inside Sunday struck a motorcyclist on Manhattan's West Side Highway, breaking his leg.

The SUV driver pulled over, and the bikers surrounded his vehicle, hitting it and spiking the tires, police said. The driver pulled away, hitting three more bikers in the process, police said.

Should the driver in the SUV be charged? yes he should be charged for all 4. (were the other 3 injured, or just damage to their bikes?) Hopefully self defence or necessity is a defence for whatever he is charged for and the judge will take the circumstances into account though for the other 3. But the law must be applied equally, the police should not get to pick who gets charged and who doesn't. That's not their job.

Interesting answer. I like it. I guess you can argue that a couple of those riders were just innocent bystanders and they have the right to feel cheated if the driver wasn't at least charged. However, those hurt should also blame the other riders for threatening the driver of the SUV, if they haven't done that, he wouldn't have been forced to respond the way he did.

I don't believe the driver will be charged as it does seem like self defence.

If a gang surrounds your car, denting it and slashing the tyres, no reasonable person would stop and get out of their car.
Bob, whether the other bikers were innocent or not is irrelevant to the question "should the man in the SUV be charged".

They are two separate issues. The bikers need to be charged for their indescressions and so does the SUV driver. Our laws do not operate on "an eye for an eye". We may be able to justify an action, but that doesn't make it legal.

If they had have murdered someone, then we could justify it for the man to murder them, but it doesn't make it legal.

Anyone who breaks the law needs to be answerable and that is not up to the police to determine.

Ummm, if it's in self defense and if you have no other option. than that actually does make it legal .

but that is for the court to decide, not the police man.

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

the_bob_delusion — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 12:32:43 GMT

@crikey*mate wrote:
@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
@crikey*mate wrote:
@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
@crikey*mate wrote:
@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/new-y ork-bikers-road-rage-video/

The New York City Police Department said a man driving a Range Rover with his wife and 2-year-old daughter inside Sunday struck a motorcyclist on Manhattan's West Side Highway, breaking his leg.

The SUV driver pulled over, and the bikers surrounded his vehicle, hitting it and spiking the tires, police said. The driver pulled away, hitting three more bikers in the process, police said.

Should the driver in the SUV be charged? yes he should be charged for all 4. (were the other 3 injured, or just damage to their bikes?) Hopefully self defence or necessity is a defence for whatever he is charged for and the judge will take the circumstances into account though for the other 3. But the law must be applied equally, the police should not get to pick who gets charged and who doesn't. That's not their job.

Interesting answer. I like it. I guess you can argue that a couple of those riders were just innocent bystanders and they have the right to feel cheated if the driver wasn't at least charged. However, those hurt should also blame the other riders for threatening the driver of the SUV, if they haven't done that, he wouldn't have been forced to respond the way he did.

I don't believe the driver will be charged as it does seem like self defence.

If a gang surrounds your car, denting it and slashing the tyres, no reasonable person would stop and get out of their car.
Bob, whether the other bikers were innocent or not is irrelevant to the question "should the man in the SUV be charged".

They are two separate issues. The bikers need to be charged for their indescressions and so does the SUV driver. Our laws do not operate on "an eye for an eye". We may be able to justify an action, but that doesn't make it legal.

If they had have murdered someone, then we could justify it for the man to murder them, but it doesn't make it legal.

Anyone who breaks the law needs to be answerable and that is not up to the police to determine.

Ummm, if it's in self defense and if you have no other option. than that actually does make it legal .
but that is for the court to decide, not the police man.

ummmmm No, before it even gets to the court. It has to be determine if a crime has even been committed. In this case, apparently not.

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

*elizabeths-mum* — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 12:32:46 GMT

If he isn't charged though, when would the court decide?

Re: What would you do? Bikers vs SUV

the_hawk* — Wed, 02 Oct 2013 12:38:04 GMT

@*pepe wrote:
@the_hawk* wrote:
The best advise is to pay attention to whats going on around you and dont attempt to intimidate or drive aggressively around a group of bikes, they are not looking to give car drivers a hard time but if given a hard time things can change real fast.
This guy had better hope and pray the ones he injured are just individual riders and not gang members.
hawke did you even look at the video and read any articles?

the rider who stopped in front of the suv has been charged, the suv driver has not been charged.

Pepe what I wrote is based on personal experience from riding in groups and knowing some riders.

I know when I am faced with a group of bikes while driving I will give them room to pass and not push any issues, that way I wont end up like that SUV driver.

It really doesnt matter what any one thinks, if you dont want to become a target dont cause a problem.

Bikers/bikies dont go looking to cause this type of situation as its bad PR but they wont take any BS from car drivers