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When a chicken lays an egg

*crikey*mate* — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 04:27:03 GMT

does it hurt?

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

cherry*135 — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 04:35:08 GMT

Not being a chicken myself, I don't feel qualified to answer that question.

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

freddie*rooster — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 04:41:33 GMT

Why is your chicken crying?

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*crikey*mate* — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 04:53:32 GMT

your picture made me cry, Freddie. Not in a mean way. Your poor arm and that mask.

Then when I read the thread about the chickens, I wrote a comment something like "suffering is suffering and it is all relative to the one experiencing it. And it made me think of that picture. Cos that's just suffering that I just can't comprehend, but you did that for so long.

I don't know how to explain that better.

But then I was thinking the hens in cages don't know any better, they have never experienced any better treatment, so are they suffering? really?

Then I was thinking that a woman giving birth usually hurts (apparently) and a chicken also has to get that egg out of a small place and they have to do it every day!

Then I was thinking about if it hurts when a chicken lays an egg, then they are still suffering, even if they live on a farm with wide open spaces.

Then I thought of your picture again and it made me sad again.

I don't know you, but I'm sorry you had to go through that. and I'm guessing the 1000 words that picture had to tell are only a very concise summary of the suffering that you did go through.

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

tasfleur — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 04:57:31 GMT

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

cherry*135 — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:04:52 GMT

Yes, there is lots of suffering & pain in the world and our petty annoyances and grievances don't rate a mention compared to that.

Caged Hens

A battery hen spends her entire life laying cramped inside a shared cage.
She will never see the sky.
Each cage holds 3 to 7 hens.
Each hen's floor area is only 450 cm squared, about 3/4 of the size of an A4 sheet of paper.
With her wings outstretched, a hen is twice the size of a typical battery cage.

The caged hens look so bad, crikey, when they hen farmers don't want them anymore. Some people adopt them and give them a good, happy home. I had some friends do that...they were tragic looking things.. their feathers get rubbed off in places from rubbing against the cage and they are scrawny.

In Australia, caged eggs come from the 10.5 million caged hens in battery farms.

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

tasfleur — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:05:37 GMT

Sorry Freddie, I thought this thread was a light hearted fun thing; I didn't realise it was a continuation of something quite different so I've asked for the chicken picture to be removed ...

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

*crikey*mate* — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:11:40 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
Yes, there is lots of suffering & pain in the world and our petty annoyances and grievances don't rate a mention compared to that.

Caged Hens

A battery hen spends her entire life laying cramped inside a shared cage.
She will never see the sky.
Each cage holds 3 to 7 hens.
Each hen's floor area is only 450 cm squared, about 3/4 of the size of an A4 sheet of paper.
With her wings outstretched, a hen is twice the size of a typical battery cage.
The caged hens look so bad, crikey, when they hen farmers don't want them anymore. Some people adopt them and give them a good, happy home. I had some friends do that...they were tragic looking things.. their feathers get rubbed off in places from rubbing against the cage and they are scrawny.

In Australia, caged eggs come from the 10.5 million caged hens in battery farms.

I get that, but are we inflicting our feelings onto the chickens? Do they really feel what we do iykwim? Do they feel bad about the conditions in which they are kept if they don't know any differently?

I dunno, to me, I reckon you either accept I want eggs so I am happy to let the chickens suffer so I can have what I want or I am against the chickens having to suffer, so I won't eat eggs at all.

I don't get the " I'll eat these eggs cois the chickens only suffer a little bit" that translates to, "well I like the eggs, so I really don't mind that the chickens do suffer, but I feel better if I don't think the chickens are suffering as much as some other ones."

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

*crikey*mate* — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:15:20 GMT

@tasfleur wrote:
Sorry Freddie, I thought this thread was a light hearted fun thing; I didn't realise it was a continuation of something quite different so I've asked for the chicken picture to be removed ...

Tas, it really is about the chicken LOLOL

don't feel bad, that was just my thought process when I went through the whole "suffering is relative debate in my head".

I reckon I'll remember that picture for a long time, for me it was pretty profound.

but the thread really is about the chickens and I didn't want to hijack someone else's thread.

so we need your chicken pics cos all threads are worthless without pics!

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

j*oono — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:15:48 GMT

I really can't understand your reasoning Crikey. They don't know that they are suffering because they don't know any better?

Here is the shortened youtube version of the Animals Australia tv ad. I think those animals know that they are suffering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ-IUWOOUfY

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

izabsmiling — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:19:44 GMT

Crikey , chickens have their own natural function...part of that is laying eggs .Do you think that they suffer to be and do what nature intended them to do ?

If they are kept in poor conditions and have never known better ...that doesn't make those conditions OK .Does It ?

and if everyone stopped eating eggs... chickens would still lay eggs

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

cherry*135 — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:19:37 GMT

The caged chickens suffer, not us. People buy their eggs because they are cheaper. Any animal/bird stuffed into a small cage with several others isn't going to feel happy.

There is no reason not to eat all eggs.. shele posted she buys eggs from a farmers market, from a farm with 1500 hens/hectare... the ideal maximum.

There is a HUGE difference in what caged hens suffer (never seeing daylight as well) and free range hens, that spent most of their time in daylight, even if there is 10 000 hens\hectare.

A human could have the freedom to walk around their house with others or be stuffed in a wardrobe with others and never let out.

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

*crikey*mate* — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:20:16 GMT

AM3, I was watching The F Word the other week and on there they showed how they pluck chickens in the big places.

I don't know if that is just an English thing, but that was just feral.

Also saw the incubators where they raise the chicks - they're just like this big cabinet of drawers, and they just shove them in there in layers!

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

cherry*135 — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:23:45 GMT

About animals/birds not knowing any better.. that would cover treating a baby animal/bird or even a human baby badly/cruely right from birth and saying we aren't being cruel to them as they know no better.

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

freddie*rooster — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:24:56 GMT

Tas, I didn't see your chicken picture I was off searching ebay for ruby red glass in any case it wouldn't have bothered me, i'm not thin skinned.

As for the preference over caged eggs or free range eggs, think of it this way crikey wouldn't you prefer to eat a happy egg then a sad egg? Even if the chickens don't know any different we do, and our choice should be gauged by what we know. So my choice is a happy egg sunny side up poached with a runny yoke.

Crikey, that picture wasn't a sad picture it was a happy picture, (1) that treatment had finally ended. (2) Happy to be fortunate enough to have such wonderful people administering the treatment. (3) Happy to be alive.

OK?

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

izabsmiling — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:27:02 GMT

CM wrote:Then I was thinking that a woman giving birth usually hurts (apparently) and a chicken also has to get that egg out of a small place and they have to do it every day!

you've not done it yourself ?

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cherry*135 — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:30:14 GMT

A thing for me also is, when (what decade?) did they start cramming hens in cages to get hens eggs.

At the time I was a child, hens were free range, for eggs and meat. I lived in a rural area, we had 2 nearish neighbours that had chicken farms..

VIC chicken farmer: He said free range chickens were more vulnerable to disease and had higher mortality rates as their environments could not be controlled.

Again chickens would have been free range on chicken farms decades ago, so why is it a problem now?

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

tasfleur — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:30:41 GMT

Thanks Freddie (and Crikey) ... The mod has taken the picture off already, that was quick but now I understand xx

We don't buy eggs from stores anymore, we're fortunate to have friends who have chickens and are always bringing them along, so we make cakes for them too in return.

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

cherry*135 — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:31:30 GMT

Part of nature for hens to lay eggs, not part of nature for humans to factory farm them by cramming them in metal cages.

Re: When a chicken lays an egg

*crikey*mate* — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 05:31:49 GMT

@izabsmiling wrote:
Crikey , chickens have their own natural function...part of that is laying eggs .Do you think that they suffer to be and do what nature intended them to do ?
If they are kept in poor conditions and have never known better ...that doesn't make those conditions OK .Does It ?

and if everyone stopped eating eggs... chickens would still lay eggs

Iza, does a woman suffer when she gives birth to a baby? (I had c - sections, I have never even experienced labour) Apparently it hurts a fair bit, isn't that suffering? That's natural. That's what a woman's body is designed to do.

If everyone stopped eating eggs, then none of those farms would exist. and there wouldn't be as many chickens specifically bred to be kept in those conditions and the chickens that were born would be living naturally.

I think that chickens were supposed to lay eggs to reproduce, I think that's what nature had intended for them, not for us to eat them before they had a chance to hatch.

In China, they eat eggs with the chicken formed in them! (I saw that on the F Word too)

I can't see how it can be justified to keep eating eggs cos chickens lay them anyway.

suffering is suffering.

Same goes for all animal products really.

*note* I'm not knocking anyone who eats eggs or animal products.

I am not a vegetarian.

but I have gained a healthy respect for the hard core ones who choose that way for their dedicated principles, rather than go at it half cocked and pick bits and pieces from here and there iykwim.