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NBN Rollout

pct001wine — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 03:00:17 GMT

From now on monthly Ready for Service lists and other key details will only be available via the NBN Co sales portal, which isn't open to the public. Instead the government will issue a weekly progress report indicating the overall number of premises passed, premises serviceable and services activated. These national figures will not breakdown the rollout to specific locations. The figures no longer include areas where construction has "commenced", as Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull says they "do not necessarily provide a meaningful indicator of progress".

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/nbn-co-rewrites-rollout-map--will-you-miss-out-on-fibre-20131030-2wfcr.html#ixzz2jGTCnOoE

Seems a bit like the weekly reporting of boat arrivals. Is this the hallmark of this new government - giving us the news they want us to have ? Where's the transparency ?

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cherry*135 — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 03:21:57 GMT

I agree,suss.

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spotweldersfriend — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 03:21:58 GMT

They've changed it to opaque.

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***super_nova*** — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 03:52:36 GMT

Tony Abbott has literally just now on Sky News shown that he has no idea how important a project like the NBN is to Australia.

When speaking on matters that have anything to do with electricity, computers, wires, fibres or batteries...he is quite simply out of his depth and frankly an embarrassment.

He just said in a live press conference from Melbourne...

"The previous Labor Government were treating the NBN like an infrastructure project, rather than a broadband project".!!!!!??? LOL

So much for wanting to be an "infrastructure PM"....

He went on to say...

"The NBN is going to operate under a very different basis under the Coalition, because we are going to put fibre to distribution points and then use existing technology we can deliver much faster broadband (really?!), much more affordably and much sooner"...

"Much faster broadband" than Labor's fibre to the home NBN?

Quite simply....a straight down the camera lens lie.

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pct001wine — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 05:44:16 GMT

Abbott's concept of infrastructure is roads, roads, more roads. This was made quite clear in his policy announcements.

I dare say he thinks the information superhighway is made from bitumen and concrete.

I am also keen to hear from his government how they will exceed the speeds of the previous model with his FTTN approach.

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pct001wine — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 05:47:29 GMT

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ca04 — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:16:16 GMT

Under Labor's rush to bust NBN plan more than a few have not only got NBN but now have lost their ADSL & their phone service.

One sure way to enshure you get NBN on the old plan was to buy a new house in a new suburb.

3 months ago NBN's website said Darwin was finished at the end of last year and my part of alice Springs was finished by Feb this year.They are stalled in Darwin & have not even been seen Alice yet.

Turnbill's plan will at least ensure that no one will loose their service, internet or phone.

When you can send me a physical object on the internet then I will belive internet structure is more imortant than road,rail,air transport.

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freakiness — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:16:11 GMT

@ca04 wrote:
Under Labor's rush to bust NBN plan more than a few have not only got NBN but now have lost their ADSL & their phone service.
One sure way to enshure you get NBN on the old plan was to buy a new house in a new suburb.
3 months ago NBN's website said Darwin was finished at the end of last year and my part of alice Springs was finished by Feb this year.They are stalled in Darwin & have not even been seen Alice yet.
Turnbill's plan will at least ensure that no one will loose their service, internet or phone.
When you can send me a physical object on the internet then I will belive internet structure is more imortant than road,rail,air transport.

Who has lost their ADSL?

People do not lose their ADSL and phone some time before the NBN is build in their area. That's just another one of the made up stories to discredit the NBN.

Turnbull's plan will ensure nothing better than we have now.

If you've got a 3d printer you could receive physical items. People now can use it for daily physiotherapy, daily medical checks, study in courses that they would have had to leave home for. It's madness to dump it now and replace it with something Telstra wanted about 20 years ago which is dated now and will cost almost as much as the Labor plan.

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colic2bullsgirlore — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:17:41 GMT

@pct001wine wrote:

Seems a bit like the weekly reporting of boat arrivals. Is this the hallmark of this new government - giving us the news they want us to have ? Where's the transparency ?

@try twitter/facebook @ abcnews23

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colic2bullsgirlore — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:26:44 GMT

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silverfaun — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:40:37 GMT

Whatever happens from here on in has to be better than what that dimwit Conroy tried to do.

He lied every day about the progress & the cost was never evaluated, the rorts were not investigated. The final cost was going to blow out to 90billion or more, but hey folks, you'll still get a very fast broadband under Turnbulls revised plan & anyway, who needs the VFBB in a suburban street? & how much was this suburban VFBB to the home going to cost to hook up to? nobody really knows the full story about this Labor fiasco & probably never will.

The hyperventilating about what's happening now is sour grapes. Labor was willing to spend whatever it took to get this monolith off the ground, billions & billions was no problem for them & look where that got them, slung out for criminal waste.

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silverfaun — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:42:35 GMT

did you take that with bitter lemon? or just the sour grapes.

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ca04 — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 01:08:02 GMT

NBN require you to have a deicated power point where they are to install the boxs but they cannot tell people in some houses where they are going to put them untill they arrive to do it & if no powerpoint on fitting.

In multiunits they get one box & the bodycorp or owner has to have the connection done from there.

If you look at their progress report it listed premises passed & it means just that.

They then started to use the copper wire to pull through the fibre which meant the service was cut before NBN

was connected. At this point things related to poor survey and attempted fast installation caught up with them.

It was never intended to connect all the people & those on copper not being connected to fibre loose this connection as the copper was to be decommissioned on completion of theNBN. Thes people then had ony the option of WiFi or SAT connection for both internet & phone.

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kennedia_nigricans — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 01:57:44 GMT

i liked the idea with the ships.

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lakeland27 — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 02:44:07 GMT

@ca04 wrote:
NBN require you to have a deicated power point where they are to install the boxs but they cannot tell people in some houses where they are going to put them untill they arrive to do it & if no powerpoint on fitting.
In multiunits they get one box & the bodycorp or owner has to have the connection done from there.
If you look at their progress report it listed premises passed & it means just that.
They then started to use the copper wire to pull through the fibre which meant the service was cut before NBN
was connected. At this point things related to poor survey and attempted fast installation caught up with them.
It was never intended to connect all the people & those on copper not being connected to fibre loose this connection as the copper was to be decommissioned on completion of theNBN. Thes people then had ony the option of WiFi or SAT connection for both internet & phone.

if you have the time to read, the facts are here. http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/142

the material you have used to get the wrong idea was created as an election wedge, its not correct.

in addition, 'premises passed' is a very important statistic, as the completion of the cable laying for an area is the lions share of the project. its the single most important stat when you consider it reflects the distances covered, which in australia is no small thing.

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freakiness — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 04:40:27 GMT

@ca04 wrote:
NBN require you to have a deicated power point where they are to install the boxs but they cannot tell people in some houses where they are going to put them untill they arrive to do it & if no powerpoint on fitting.
In multiunits they get one box & the bodycorp or owner has to have the connection done from there.
If you look at their progress report it listed premises passed & it means just that.
They then started to use the copper wire to pull through the fibre which meant the service was cut before NBN
was connected. At this point things related to poor survey and attempted fast installation caught up with them.
It was never intended to connect all the people & those on copper not being connected to fibre loose this connection as the copper was to be decommissioned on completion of theNBN. Thes people then had ony the option of WiFi or SAT connection for both internet & phone.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

The copper is not cut off some time before NBN is ready to connect. The people using wireless are very happy with the quality of service and the people using satellite are happy to have an improved service in the interim whilst waiting for the new satellite service to be launched.

The Turnbull deviation is the one that requires people to pay for their connection from the basement/connection point in MDUs, not the original plan.

The equipment is installed within 3 metres (I think from memory) of a power supply. They do not randomly select a location and then tell people to get a power socket installed. You have been listening to too many anti NBN shock jocks.

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freakiness — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 04:45:48 GMT

@silverfaun wrote:
Whatever happens from here on in has to be better than what that dimwit Conroy tried to do.

He lied every day about the progress & the cost was never evaluated, the rorts were not investigated. The final cost was going to blow out to 90billion or more, but hey folks, you'll still get a very fast broadband under Turnbulls revised plan & anyway, who needs the VFBB in a suburban street? & how much was this suburban VFBB to the home going to cost to hook up to? nobody really knows the full story about this Labor fiasco & probably never will.

The hyperventilating about what's happening now is sour grapes. Labor was willing to spend whatever it took to get this monolith off the ground, billions & billions was no problem for them & look where that got them, slung out for criminal waste.

The project has been regularly scrutinised by Joint Committee and Senate Committee since the beginning. It was not ever going to cost $90B or more. No we won't all get very fast broadband under Turnbull's alternative and it will likely cost more to use as the maintenance costs will be much higher. All those with lousy copper to the premises now will still have the same problems for years to come, until the last mile of copper is replaced as that is the section of the network with issues.

The NBN was a good project, the end result of which would be a valuable network for the future. The hobbled together bits and pieces that turdbull is wasting money on will be of little value and will have cost a fortune.

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monman12 — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 07:05:20 GMT

FN: "The NBN was a good project, the end result of which would be a valuable network for the future."

So why if it was such a good project was it forced upon the population as a legislated monopoly, and under the original NBN agreement, all Telstra customers on HFC cable had to be switched to fibre, Testra's copper network was to be (by blackmail) decommissioned and Optus was forced to shut down its cable operations.

From the first customers in 2010, so far a total of 70,100 premises have been “activated” – about half with fibre and half with satellite and wireless. Wow!

Finally, from DeLimiter / Renai LeMay Oct 13, 2013

“The National Broadband Network project has abjectly failed every construction target ever set for it, its rollout has slowed to a deadly slow crawl, and even its founder, former Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, has admitted the previous Labor Government drastically underestimated the amount of work involved in delivering it."

No wonder the ALP legislated it to be a monopoly, and ensured there was no competition.

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lakeland27 — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 07:52:42 GMT

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/09/18/3851118.htm

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freakiness — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 08:04:16 GMT

@monman12 wrote:
FN: "The NBN was a good project, the end result of which would be a valuable network for the future."
So why if it was such a good project was it forced upon the population as a legislated monopoly, and under the original NBN agreement, all Telstra customers on HFC cable had to be switched to fibre, Testra's copper network was to be (by blackmail) decommissioned and Optus was forced to shut down its cable operations.

From the first customers in 2010, so far a total of 70,100 premises have been “activated” – about half with fibre and half with satellite and wireless. Wow!

Finally, from DeLimiter / Renai LeMay Oct 13, 2013

“The National Broadband Network project has abjectly failed every construction target ever set for it, its rollout has slowed to a deadly slow crawl, and even its founder, former Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, has admitted the previous Labor Government drastically underestimated the amount of work involved in delivering it."

No wonder the ALP legislated it to be a monopoly, and ensured there was no competition.

nɥºɾ

How many times is it possible to ask the same questions?

The Telstra deal caused almost 2 years delay. The asbestos issues with Telstra pits caused more delay. The HFC does not cover all premises within their areas and are not adequate in peak times. They don't have the capacity for expansion to the remainder of premises. The ubiquity keeps ongoing maintenance and operational costs lower.

There were valid reasons for the targets not having been met. They had ramped up pre election as planned and expected. Most economists and analysts rate it's performance as fair given the size and scope of the project.

Australia doesn't have the population base for competing infrastructure as demonstrated by the cable wars.