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Bill Shorten Seems a Nice Man

icyfroth — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:38:39 GMT

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Re: Bill Shorten Seems a Nice Man

newstart2380 — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:36:59 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
Just watching the news and I was impressed by his comment on the Indon crisis.

"We have our fingers crossed the Coalition can resolve this crisis"

Nothing nasty or snide, nothing smarmy or overbearing. Maybe the Labor party can put it's backstabbing ways behind them under his leadership

Some of the Labor supporters here could follow his example

At last a comment that does not contain any nastiness, thank you icy.

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azureline** — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:38:10 GMT

All sides of politics could take a lesson.

I am sorry for being skeptical but I suspect there is more going on here with this little crisis, they are ALL being very diplomatic..............but why??

(EXCEPT FOR Mr Abbott and his difficulty with the apology of course)

Re: Bill Shorten Seems a Nice Man

newstart2380 — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:40:13 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
All sides of politics could take a lesson.
I am sorry for being skeptical but I suspect there is more going on here with this little crisis, they are ALL being very diplomatic..............but why??
(EXCEPT FOR Mr Abbott and his difficulty with the apology of course)

Why does he have to apologise for something even the Indonesians do, they want apologise for spying ?

Solution - they all sit down and work out a compromise.

Re: Bill Shorten Seems a Nice Man

icyfroth — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:41:07 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
All sides of politics could take a lesson.
I am sorry for being skeptical but I suspect there is more going on here with this little crisis, they are ALL being very diplomatic..............but why??
(EXCEPT FOR Mr Abbott and his difficulty with the apology of course)

They're probably thanking their lucky stars it's Mr Abbot, having to deal with their previous leader's mess and not them.

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azureline** — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:41:20 GMT

The Indonesians think he should...................

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cherry*135 — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:43:25 GMT

Bill Shorten does seem to be staying away from the name calling and blame game stuff so far ( incl. the negativity and aggression TA showed when in Opposition).

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azureline** — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:42:33 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@azureline** wrote:
All sides of politics could take a lesson.
I am sorry for being skeptical but I suspect there is more going on here with this little crisis, they are ALL being very diplomatic..............but why??
(EXCEPT FOR Mr Abbott and his difficulty with the apology of course)
They're probably thanking their lucky stars it's Mr Abbot, having to deal with their previous leader's mess and not them.

well, it is quite a few previous leaders mess it seems.

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poddster — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:48:43 GMT

Az, tell me why the Pm should apologise for something that he was not responsible for?

Also an apology is as good as an admission of quilt that could and would be used against Australia in the future. So far there is only the allegation from Snowden.

All this righteous indignation on the part of Indonesia is just saber rattling and an excuse of shirking any responsibility in the people smuggling industry, yes industry, a primary one at that and a further attempt at carving out a larger slice of aid dollars

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azureline** — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:53:34 GMT

Exactly who is responsible for it? the policy had to come from somewhere.

Was Rudd responsible for the need to apologise to the first inhabitants of Australia?

I think he has the responsibility because he is the PM, no doubt each one inherits responsibilities.

allegation???

Re: Bill Shorten Seems a Nice Man

icyfroth — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:31:43 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
The Indonesians think he should...................

The Indons are just chucking a tanty because they've been caught out in their duplicity with regard to helping Australia stop the boats.

Of course they don't want us to stop the boats because they'd be stuck with the backlog.

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just_me_karen — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:39:16 GMT

That is so, so incorrect, icy. There are hundreds of asylum seekers locked up in Indonesian detention centres. They have a squad of police in each high risk region that intercepts and arrests asylum seekers heading to Australia. It costs their taxpayers a fortune to look after these people who are only using Indonesia as a stopping point on their way here.

Indonesians complain that their police force is used to deal with this Australian issue, so is therefore less able to deal with local crime.

They already ARE stuck with the backlog...thousands of asylum seekers are in Indonesia waiting to come here. I read an article in their news today that claimed these "backlogged" people have a tendency to resort to crime because their finances are gone and they're unable to work,

I don't blame Indonesia for abandoning their efforts to assist our government, given the arrogant way they've been treated.

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nevynreally — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:45:31 GMT

@just_me_karen wrote:
That is so, so incorrect, icy. There are hundreds of asylum seekers locked up in Indonesian detention centres. They have a squad of police in each high risk region that intercepts and arrests asylum seekers heading to Australia. It costs their taxpayers a fortune to look after these people who are only using Indonesia as a stopping point on their way here.

Indonesians complain that their police force is used to deal with this Australian issue, so is therefore less able to deal with local crime.

They already ARE stuck with the backlog...thousands of asylum seekers are in Indonesia waiting to come here. I read an article in their news today that claimed these "backlogged" people have a tendency to resort to crime because their finances are gone and they're unable to work,

I don't blame Indonesia for abandoning their efforts to assist our government, given the arrogant way they've been treated.

So it's an Australian issue, not an Indonesian one because these people are trying to get to Australia?

It's a global issue of queue jumpers, people wanting the economic promised land they believe they're owed. Because if you were fleeing due to persecution, anywhere safe out of that environment would be where you'd want to be.

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icyfroth — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:56:59 GMT

@just_me_karen wrote:
That is so, so incorrect, icy. There are hundreds of asylum seekers locked up in Indonesian detention centres. They have a squad of police in each high risk region that intercepts and arrests asylum seekers heading to Australia. It costs their taxpayers a fortune to look after these people who are only using Indonesia as a stopping point on their way here.

Indonesians complain that their police force is used to deal with this Australian issue, so is therefore less able to deal with local crime.

They already ARE stuck with the backlog...thousands of asylum seekers are in Indonesia waiting to come here. I read an article in their news today that claimed these "backlogged" people have a tendency to resort to crime because their finances are gone and they're unable to work,

I don't blame Indonesia for abandoning their efforts to assist our government, given the arrogant way they've been treated.

Indonesia is awash with asylum seekers because that country is seen as a stepping stone to Australia. If Indonesia took a harder line with the people smugglers facilitating the next step to Aus, they wouldn't have such a large influx of people landing on their shores.

We are helping Indonesia with financial aid and personnel training so they can deal with with the crime issue, so what do they have to complain about?

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just_me_karen — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:11:40 GMT

I suppose you'd need to empathise with how the Indonesians feel. Imagine thousands of people came to Australia, with valid papers (tourist visas, for example) with the intention of eventually catching a boat to New Zealand.

Do you think the Australian community would be satisfied having our police force busy with this NZ problem, while they neglected local crimes? Do you think people would be happy to have our gaols full of people who our police had caught getting on boats to NZ? What do you think our community would think about these people adding to the crime rates because their tourist visa doesn't allow them to work...and for those who do work illegally, do you think Australians would complain about jobs being taken?

It wouldn't matter how much money NZ gave us to deal with "their" problem, I doubt australians would be happy with the situation.....especially if the NZ prime minister spoke arrogantly to us and locked our journos out of press conferences.

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***super_nova*** — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:30:46 GMT

@newstart2380 wrote:
Why does he have to apologise for something even the Indonesians do, they want apologise for spying ?
Solution - they all sit down and work out a compromise.

Such spying is done only with agreement of both parties, and Indonesians have asked for EXPLANATION, not an apology. Instead of calling them and some useful private talking, TA made announcements in our parliament.

Re: Bill Shorten Seems a Nice Man

***super_nova*** — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:41:54 GMT

@nevynreally wrote:
It's a global issue of queue jumpers, people wanting the economic promised land they believe they're owed. Because if you were fleeing due to persecution, anywhere safe out of that environment would be where you'd want to be.

That is like if your house burns down and you managed to make it out on your front lawn; so now you are safe and should sit there and wait for your house to be rebuilt?

Refugees want to go somewhere where they can work, have a life, educate their kids etc.which are the basic human rights.

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***super_nova*** — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:53:21 GMT

Living conditions at refugee camps in Malaysia have been condemned as cramped, crowded and unhygienic.

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azureline** — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:53:36 GMT

We are so lucky to live in Australia

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polksaladallie — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:55:39 GMT

I remember a report which analysed their drinking water and found faecal matter in it. There was no alternative for drinking.