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Shorten Deteriorating Fast

silverfaun — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:56:12 GMT

Nothing surprising here regarding Shortens failure, I have been predicting ever since he became leader that he will fail because he is the product of a broken labor party.

He cannot move towards a fresh new ideas party, the Labor movement is tied to last century ideals and ideas and shackled to the unions who control it.

Shorten and his front bench and the rest of the caucus are languishing down amongst the detritus of the broken and failed policies of Rudd and Gillard, if they don't move forward they will stay down.

Failing the pub test and deteriorating fast

BILL Shorten is failing the pub test. The Opposition Leader is shrinking in voters’ eyes at an alarming rate.

After a meteoric rise in voter satisfaction and a rapid pegging back of Tony Abbott as preferred prime minister in October and November, he has seen his personal support being rapidly lost and he’s no longer virtually equal on the question of better prime minister.

Gifted a natural Labor platform of thousands of job losses in manufacturing and the prospect of a hard-line Coalition budget, he and Labor are losing ground. The ALP’s rhetoric is wearing thin.

After almost six months at Labor’s helm, satisfaction with Shorten is on 33 per cent, virtually back to where it was when he began, after he defeated Anthony Albanese as Labor leader with a better parliamentary caucus vote.

More disastrously, dissatisfaction has jumped 19 points since October to reach 43 per cent last weekend and there has been no sign of a change in the trend.

After Shorten closed in on the “unpopular” and “unelectable” Abbott as preferred prime minister to get within a point — 37 to 38 per cent two weeks ago — Abbott again has a significant lead of 42 to 36 per cent.

What’s more, the trend of deterioration in Shorten’s support is accelerating alarmingly for Labor.

Since parliament began this year, Abbott’s downward satisfaction spiral has steadied, and rose again last weekend for the first time since October, but dissatisfaction with Shorten is rising sharply.

Most importantly, while Labor’s primary vote of 35 per cent remains ahead of its disastrous September election result of 33.3 per cent, it is only marginally so, with large numbers of voters apparently “parked” amongst supporters of the Greens and others.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/failing-the-pub-test-and-deteriorating-fast/story-e6frg75f-1226850793896

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

nero_bolt — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:12:51 GMT

Good to see..... Shorten is like week old road kill....... on the nose and rotten

Based on preference flows at the election last September, the two-party preferred vote is now 51 to 49 per cent in favour of Labor. Two weeks ago Labor led 54 to 46 per cent…

Satisfaction with Mr Shorten last weekend was 33 per cent, just one point above his lowest rating of 32 per cent, in the first Newspoll survey in October just after he became leader.

Then you have this

Troubleshooter appointed as Bill Shorten faces internal unrest

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/troubleshooter-appointed-as-bill-shorten-faces-internal-unrest-20140310-34hvx.html#ixzz2vbI8w98T

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

catsnknots — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:28:10 GMT

lol.. and they are stuck with him... hahahahaha... Rudd has made it so difficult to get rid of anyone because he thought it would be him in the top spot......

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

silverfaun — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:41:05 GMT

@catsnknots wrote:
lol.. and they are stuck with him... hahahahaha... Rudd has made it so difficult to get rid of anyone because he thought it would be him in the top spot......

Looks like another term of dysfunction and leadership woes. What else is new?? nothing, nothing will change because they did not do the bloodletting and introspection after their devastaing loss, the party needed to be renewed, they didn't look at themselves to see where they went so wrong.

It was business as usual along with all the massive losers from the last front bench. Tired and clinging to the failed policies that saw them ousted, are they all blind to what happened to them?

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

lakeland27 — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:45:30 GMT

a lead is a lead. this is just one poll too, newspoll at that. the collated polls at bludgertrack show a wider margin. both are winning margins

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

silverfaun — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:47:37 GMT

omga , they have to recruit a former Rudd man to tell them what to do??????. These gormos are pathetic and they are asking voters to elect tham next election??

Tell em they're dreaming.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/troubleshooter-appointed-as-bill-shorten-faces...

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

debra9275 — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:53:51 GMT

Failing the pub test and deteriorating fast

who says so???

a fly on the wall??

lol

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

catsnknots — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:57:51 GMT

Eamonn Fitzpatrick was the lone survivor from Julia Gillard's media team retained by Kevin Rudd on his return last year.

OMG... really??? have they not learnt anything from the past? The same old team to get the same old results!!!

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

lurker17260 — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:59:45 GMT

What is a pub test and how are is it done? Is it different from a club test? What about wine bars, are they tested?
Teetotallers? Do they have a say?
Coffee shops; surely they'd get a look in. All those people sitting around on the pavement sipping lattes.

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

boris1gary — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:09:15 GMT

@lakeland27 wrote:
a lead is a lead. this is just one poll too, newspoll at that. the collated polls at bludgertrack show a wider margin. both are winning margins

sigh, another day, another desperate attempt to deflect from the what the govt is doing, i can still remember when the australian wasn't the broadsheet equivalent to the toilet paper known as the telegraph.

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

lakeland27 — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:15:42 GMT

''The Daily Apoligist''

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freakiness — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:16:31 GMT

@lurker17260 wrote:
What is a pub test and how are is it done? Is it different from a club test? What about wine bars, are they tested?
Teetotallers? Do they have a say?
Coffee shops; surely they'd get a look in. All those people sitting around on the pavement sipping lattes.

You'd have to ask Abbott's man, Shanahan, the writer of the OP.

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

lakeland27 — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:20:14 GMT

shanahan also known as the LNP's embedded propagandist. credlin (another drunk driver ) co -authors these things.

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purplecarrot-top — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:20:24 GMT

As a lot know I travel a lot. Meet heaps of people. Have yet to meet anyone who admits voting for this government or liking what Abbott and the government are doing. Most seem to dislike Abbott.

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

debra9275 — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:23:22 GMT

ah so he's the proverbial fly on the wall. perhaps he missed his calling & should've been a novelist

PCT I've noticed that too, especially among the younger and the older generations

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

silverfaun — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:43:46 GMT

The blind and out of touch. What else do we expect from the apologists for everything Labor.

Sorry to say but all the bleating and chest beating is only a very small microcosm of some, most of the rest of Labor are despairing at just what a massive loser they have been stuck with in Shorten.

The wider community and the majority of the Labor party can see how bad the Labor party is travelling and how the wider community can see straight through Bill and the front bench failures sitting there every day asking their insipid pathetic questions.

Haven't landed a blow yet and as long as they stick their heads in the sand and not do a root and branch reform of the party they will languish in the pit of failure they so readily put themselves.

Labor is stuck in the past and crippled by the union bosses, party ideologues and heartless apparatchiks.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

How long will they limp along with this weak leader? will Bill resign for the "good of the party" like he stabbed Gillard for "the good of the party" or will the knives that have been sharpened and waiting come out? and there are many.

I can't see any way forward for Labor if they stick with the Status Quo, Down Down Deeper Down Down. lol

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

silverfaun — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:45:30 GMT

lol the anecdote posts

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lurker17260 — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:46:10 GMT

This wider community and most of Labor that you speak of. Were they all in the pub when you obtained their opinions?

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silverfaun — Tue, 11 Mar 2014 00:09:39 GMT

@lurker17260 wrote:
This wider community and most of Labor that you speak of. Were they all in the pub when you obtained their opinions?

Interpersonal?? or do you have a constructive comment. Goads and baits can land one in very hot water so I will decline to respond to the body of your post. Thanks very much.

Re: Shorten Deteriorating Fast

lurker17260 — Tue, 11 Mar 2014 00:18:17 GMT

@silverfaun wrote:
@lurker17260 wrote:
This wider community and most of Labor that you speak of. Were they all in the pub when you obtained their opinions?
Interpersonal?? or do you have a constructive comment. Goads and baits can land one in very hot water so I will decline to respond to the body of your post. Thanks very much.

No, not interpersonal at all. You expressed what you said the wider community and most of Labour thought. I'm interested in how you obtained that information.