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NBN sub contractors

lloydslights — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 00:24:05 GMT

They have just turned up 10 days earlier than scheduled.

The 20 year olds look as though they've slept in their van, after partaking of a substance of some sort for the last few days. No ID or card to identify themselves or their company.

They had steel capped boots on with their board shorts and hoodies.

Their plan was to dig diagonally across the yard (including about 4 metres of concrete driveway).

I asked who was to pay for all this work on my property. "Just the government" was the response to my apparently stupid question.

They have now gone to speak to their "big supervisor" about my suggestion of pulling the cable through an existing conduit.

Okay, has anyone else experienced similar workmen and ideas that are charged to the Government?

DEB

Re: NBN sub contractors

freakiness — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 00:29:22 GMT

@lloydslights wrote:
They have just turned up 10 days earlier than scheduled.

The 20 year olds look as though they've slept in their van, after partaking of a substance of some sort for the last few days. No ID or card to identify themselves or their company.

They had steel capped boots on with their board shorts and hoodies.

Their plan was to dig diagonally across the yard (including about 4 metres of concrete driveway).

I asked who was to pay for all this work on my property. "Just the government" was the response to my apparently stupid question.

They have now gone to speak to their "big supervisor" about my suggestion of pulling the cable through an existing conduit.

Okay, has anyone else experienced similar workmen and ideas that are charged to the Government?

DEB

They should be using existing ducts unless they've collapsed but it seems at the moment it's anything goes as long as it makes Labor look bad and makes the NBN look too costly so Mal and Tone can say they were right all along.

Re: NBN sub contractors

boris1gary — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 00:42:16 GMT

Lloydslights, you might want to read this....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-14/braue-nbn-hypocrisy-confirms-contempt-for-process/5384464

Re: NBN sub contractors

lloydslights — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 01:00:33 GMT

@boris1gary wrote:
Lloydslights, you might want to read this....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-14/braue-nbn-hypocrisy-confirms-contempt-for-process/5384464

Ta Boris.

What I was concerned about was the appearance and apparel of the workers and the cost of the work backcharged to the government.

......The young fellow has just got back from speaking to his "big supervisor" and said that it is okay to use the existing conduit.

Now what I'm concerned with is whether the contractor will backcharge the govt for the larger job put to me originally or the less costly alternative.

Who will be "checking invoices against actual work"? Will this process be in a similar vane to solar/pink batt type rip-offs by contractors in the past?

DEB

Re: NBN sub contractors

freakiness — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 01:47:33 GMT

@lloydslights wrote:
@boris1gary wrote:
Lloydslights, you might want to read this....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-14/braue-nbn-hypocrisy-confirms-contempt-for-process/5384464
Ta Boris.

What I was concerned about was the appearance and apparel of the workers and the cost of the work backcharged to the government.

......The young fellow has just got back from speaking to his "big supervisor" and said that it is okay to use the existing conduit.

Now what I'm concerned with is whether the contractor will backcharge the govt for the larger job put to me originally or the less costly alternative.

Who will be "checking invoices against actual work"? Will this process be in a similar vane to solar/pink batt type rip-offs by contractors in the past?

DEB

At the moment it's all about making it look like a Labor botch job. Limits have been imposed to prevent the planned ramp up meeting it's target.

A few of the contractors might have been of the attitude that it's govt so we'll rip them off but most seemed to be genuinely committed.

Re: NBN sub contractors

just_me_karen — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 01:54:41 GMT

Just boot them out if you don't want NBN

Set the dogs onto them

Or maybe think whether board shorts aren't indicative of their skill?

Re: NBN sub contractors

boris1gary — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 03:25:04 GMT

@lloydslights wrote:
They have just turned up 10 days earlier than scheduled.

The 20 year olds look as though they've slept in their van, after partaking of a substance of some sort for the last few days. No ID or card to identify themselves or their company.

They had steel capped boots on with their board shorts and hoodies.

Their plan was to dig diagonally across the yard (including about 4 metres of concrete driveway).

I asked who was to pay for all this work on my property. "Just the government" was the response to my apparently stupid question.

They have now gone to speak to their "big supervisor" about my suggestion of pulling the cable through an existing conduit.

Okay, has anyone else experienced similar workmen and ideas that are charged to the Government?

DEB

I don't think I would allow them to do anything, their original "plan" would have made me very nervous. Do they know what they are doing? It doesn't sound like it. I would probably ask for the "big supervisors" number and call him/her myself. I wouldn't be overly concerned about it being "charged to the government", we will all end up paying for it (and much, much more).

Re: NBN sub contractors

poddster — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 03:29:22 GMT

@lloydslights wrote:
@boris1gary wrote:
Lloydslights, you might want to read this....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-14/braue-nbn-hypocrisy-confirms-contempt-for-process/5384464
Ta Boris.

What I was concerned about was the appearance and apparel of the workers and the cost of the work backcharged to the government.

......The young fellow has just got back from speaking to his "big supervisor" and said that it is okay to use the existing conduit.

Now what I'm concerned with is whether the contractor will backcharge the govt for the larger job put to me originally or the less costly alternative.

Who will be "checking invoices against actual work"? Will this process be in a similar vane to solar/pink batt type rip-offs by contractors in the past?

DEB

In a word, Yep

Re: NBN sub contractors

lakeland27 — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 03:58:39 GMT

you condone what turnbull and the Abbott govt is doing ? thats a tad hypocritical given past comments. inconsistency is a trademark i've noticed

Re: NBN sub contractors

amber-eyed-girl — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 04:37:32 GMT

well that is a relief for you 🙂

for anyone else, they have no ID, refuse to let them do anything to your property.

You need to know they are genuine,

if they insist, call your local MP.

they could be anybody. It has been tried already 😞

do not let anyone dig up your lawn, driveway etc.

you will be left with the cost when they disappear, unless you have a guarantee they will fix the damage, in writing.

Re: NBN sub contractors

poddster — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 04:37:19 GMT

I don't, never have, never will condone shoddy workmanship or anything shoddy in any way.

However I have witnessed some of the contracts that the Labor Government has entered into and they are way beyond shoddy.

I also have no doubt that towards the end of Labor'd exit into oblivion they would have laid booby traps anywhere they could.

Going on past history it will take many years to clean up the mess that they created at the cost of mega buck to the taxpayer.

That is what Labor do best.

Re: NBN sub contractors

poddster — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 04:41:44 GMT

I would even go further than that.

Get out your trusty camera and take some pictures, also ask a friend who is official looking to drive up and if they have a movie camera to take some video in full sight of the workers, if the friend has a clip board they cam bring that too , for effect 🙂

Re: NBN sub contractors

lakeland27 — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 04:43:53 GMT

@poddster wrote:
I don't, never have, never will condone shoddy workmanship or anything shoddy in any way.

However I have witnessed some of the contracts that the Labor Government has entered into and they are way beyond shoddy.

I also have no doubt that towards the end of Labor'd exit into oblivion they would have laid booby traps anywhere they could.
Going on past history it will take many years to clean up the mess that they created at the cost of mega buck to the taxpayer.

That is what Labor do best.

you seem to miss a lot. only in the last 24 hrs its been revealed that turnbull is in fact doing what he (and yourself here) accuse the former govt of doing. the real difference is not money, it isn't slack work practices. the difference is the end result .. a vastly inferior network . they wont save a cent, it wont be 'tidier' it will merely be inferior.

Re: NBN sub contractors

amber-eyed-girl — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 04:44:20 GMT

well, some before pics wouldn't hurt 🙂

there have been a few stories of rogue tradies doing "nbn work" and charging...

best to see ID.

Re: NBN sub contractors

lakeland27 — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 04:46:51 GMT

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-14/braue-nbn-hypocrisy-confirms-contempt-for-process/5384464

Re: NBN sub contractors

poddster — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 05:08:20 GMT

OK LL, let us open up the can of worms once again.

I'll start.

The NBN as sold to the voters was and is a conjob, it was a white elephant from the start and it is still around but it is now a rotting hulk.

You say that the proposed version is vastly inferior, ok, elaborate on your statement and show just how it is vastly inferior.

Trot out any argument you can come up with 🙂

Re: NBN sub contractors

just_me_karen — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 05:12:22 GMT

No it wasn't.

Re: NBN sub contractors

lakeland27 — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 05:23:45 GMT

@poddster wrote:
OK LL, let us open up the can of worms once again.

I'll start.

The NBN as sold to the voters was and is a conjob, it was a white elephant from the start and it is still around but it is now a rotting hulk.

You say that the proposed version is vastly inferior, ok, elaborate on your statement and show just how it is vastly inferior.

Trot out any argument you can come up with 🙂

i think its time for you to defend turnbulls actions, the benefits of the NBN are well established, thats why the government said it would build it ''better.. cheaper'' so far that hasn't proven to be the case. turnbull kept claiming that the labor NBN didn't have a business plan.. the link i provided indicates turnbull has no 'business plan' which puts all his claims in real doubt

Re: NBN sub contractors

just_me_karen — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 05:29:38 GMT

Typical Libs, all that ranting and blistering about no cost benefit analysis for the NBN but they haven't produced one for badgery's creek.

And turnbulls fraudband is more expensive.

Re: NBN sub contractors

poddster — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 05:42:30 GMT

LL, It is just as i expected, you can not show "the vast superiority" of the now defunct Labor's version of the NBN.

Labor and the NBN Co. laid the landmines when they realised that they were heading off to oblivion.

I say again the NBN as sold to the voters was and is a scam of epic proportions.