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Is there a time when Rape is not as bad?

the_bob_delusion — Mon, 05 May 2014 11:41:00 GMT

http://www.news.com.au/world/judge-jeanine-howard-sparks-outrage-for-saying-sexually-assaulted-14yearold-not-the-victim-she-claimed-to-be/story-fndir2ev-1226905281625

A TEXAS judge has sentenced a confessed rapist to just five years’ probation, implying his 14-year-old victim was promiscuous and “wasn’t the victim she claimed to be”.

Sir Young, 20, pleaded guilty to raping the girl at their Booker T. Washington High School in Dallas when he was 18, even as she told him “no” and “stop”, according to the Dallas News .

But State District Judge Jeanine Howard stunned many when she opted for probation, which will include 45 days in jail, and also exempted him from standard sex-offender restrictions, such as staying away from children, attending sex offender treatment, undergoing a sex offender evaluation or refraining from watching pornography.

Judge calls rape victim 'promiscuous'

Howard told the News she made her decision partly because medical records showed the victim had had three sexual partners and had given birth to a baby — both claims the girl has denied.

“She wasn’t the victim she claimed to be,” Howard said. “He is not your typical sex offender.

Did the judge get it right?

Re: Is there a time when Rape is not as bad?

poddster — Mon, 05 May 2014 11:44:28 GMT

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the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 05 May 2014 11:50:18 GMT

Of coursethe judge was wrong. What has being promiscuous or having a baby got to do with being raped? If you had a win at the races, got drunk in the pub afterwards and shouted drinks for the bar, would that mean you were not a victim if someone knocked you down and stole your wallet on the way home?

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the_bob_delusion — Mon, 05 May 2014 12:05:14 GMT

I'm not convienced the judge got it wrong.

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flashie* — Mon, 05 May 2014 12:11:37 GMT

@matthew_mark_luke_and_bob wrote:
I'm not convienced the judge got it wrong.

Why?

Re: Is there a time when Rape is not as bad?

the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 05 May 2014 12:11:42 GMT

@matthew_mark_luke_and_bob wrote:
I'm not convienced the judge got it wrong.

Why?

Re: Is there a time when Rape is not as bad?

the_bob_delusion — Mon, 05 May 2014 12:20:53 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@matthew_mark_luke_and_bob wrote:
I'm not convienced the judge got it wrong.
Why?

I agree that not every case of rape are the same.

Re: Is there a time when Rape is not as bad?

*pepe — Mon, 05 May 2014 12:29:36 GMT

@matthew_mark_luke_and_bob wrote:
I'm not convienced the judge got it wrong.

she said no and stop it but he continued.

what part of that is not rape?

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para-sights — Mon, 05 May 2014 12:38:16 GMT

Howard told the News she made her decision partly because medical records showed the victim had had three sexual partners and had given birth to a baby — both claims the girl has denied.

The first part is no grounds for dismissing her allegations the latter part is more troubling in giving her story 100% credence

Re: Is there a time when Rape is not as bad?

the_bob_delusion — Mon, 05 May 2014 12:44:26 GMT

@*pepe wrote:
@matthew_mark_luke_and_bob wrote:
I'm not convienced the judge got it wrong.
she said no and stop it but he continued.

what part of that is not rape?

no one is denying it isn't rape.

Re: Is there a time when Rape is not as bad?

imastawka — Mon, 05 May 2014 12:50:17 GMT

no one is denying it isn't rape.

Double negative. Ergo - you are denying it is rape

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i-once-was-bump — Mon, 05 May 2014 12:51:59 GMT

reminds me of that joke that only men seem to find funny "how do you rape a prostitiute?"

I bet that judge laughed at that joke when he first heard it.

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kopenhagen5 — Mon, 05 May 2014 13:06:00 GMT

For most part I think judges are terrific in seeing through to the truth.

But by George can they get it wrong sometimes.

I have also learnt over time that some girls can be very cunning and manipulative and full of carp appearing like angels, totally going against my upbringing and beliefs.

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i-once-was-bump — Mon, 05 May 2014 13:14:55 GMT

@kopenhagen5 wrote:
For most part I think judges are terrific in seeing through to the truth.

But by George can they get it wrong sometimes.

I have also learnt over time that some girls can be very cunning and manipulative and full of carp appearing like angels, totally going against my upbringing and beliefs.

Well stay away from those types if you have a problem with them.

Also I am at a loss as to how that applies to a discussion about rape, are you suggesting that some girls are cunning and manipulative enough to get a man charged with rape when it wasn't rape?

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kopenhagen5 — Mon, 05 May 2014 13:21:34 GMT

No, more in reply to the judge referring to the girl lying about her past and not being honest in her demeanour.

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kopenhagen5 — Mon, 05 May 2014 13:25:54 GMT

BTW bump, I select reply to the last post in most cases, my comment was to the OP, not directed at you if you thought so.

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joz*garage — Mon, 05 May 2014 13:37:17 GMT

@i-once-was-bump wrote:
reminds me of that joke that only men seem to find funny "how do you rape a prostitiute?"

I bet that judge laughed at that joke when he first heard it.

it was a female judge

how does the joke go, btw?

Re: Is there a time when Rape is not as bad?

the_bob_delusion — Mon, 05 May 2014 13:41:41 GMT

Something just doesn't sit right with me. I agree with the judge this just doesn't read victim to me and there's something about reading how the perpetrator explains himself just doesn't resemble a typical rapist.

Re: Is there a time when Rape is not as bad?

joz*garage — Mon, 05 May 2014 13:44:32 GMT

@matthew_mark_luke_and_bob wrote:
Something just doesn't sit right with me. I agree with the judge this just doesn't read victim to me and there's something about reading how the perpetrator explains himself just doesn't resemble a typical rapist.

maybe the "female" judge took into acoount they were already an 'item' and the dark skinned fellow wasnt violent too?

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alexander*beetle — Mon, 05 May 2014 13:45:16 GMT

Prey tell. Just what is a typical rapist?