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Abbott Trumps Rudd On China

icyfroth — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 06:36:17 GMT

Tony Abbott is being hailed for his approach to Asia, somehow trumping mandarin speaking Kevin Rudd

Australia’s Ambassador to the US Kim Beazley has revealed that American officials were marvelling at Mr Abbott’s success in Asia.

“He has them somewhat intrigued,” Mr Beazley told The Daily Telegraph yesterday.

“They are very interested in the Prime Minister’s visits to Asia ... and what he has arranged in the region.”

An article published in Canada’s largest national newspaper The Globe and Mail, also suggested Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper “actively seek Mr Abbott’s views and advice” on Asia.

In the article he highlights differing platforms of Mr Abbott and Mr Rudd during the federal election, which he described as being, “seen in crude terms as a contest between an Anglophile and an Asianist”.

“And yet, on broad Asia policy, Mr Abbott has stayed the course,” Mr Woo wrote.

Mr Abbott has signed free-trade agreements with Korea and Japan, and is close to securing a deal with China. Australia also sent its largest ever trade mission to China. This all happened in 2014.

Mr Rudd with his Mandarin speaking skills, connections and Chinese son-in-law was expected to take relations with China to another level, but was instead dogged by inaction and controversy.

This included Mr Rudd’s alleged comments at the Copenhagen Climate Summit in 2009 when he supposedly said: “Those Chinese f**kers are trying to rat-f**k us”.

Entire Article Here

Re: Abbott Trumps Rudd On China

boris1gary — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 06:50:06 GMT

shouldn't that be Chinia?

Re: Abbott Trumps Rudd On China

icyfroth — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 06:53:50 GMT

@boris1gary wrote:
shouldn't that be Chinia?

no.

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cherry*135 — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:07:57 GMT

The Daily Telegraph - how come they are the only newspaper publishing anything at all positive about Tony Abbott?

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*crikey*mate* — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:11:41 GMT

I wanna know why they're picking out China patterns - thought only royalty did that

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cherry*135 — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:13:41 GMT

Dr Thomson said that while Australia’s free trade agreements with Japan and Korea were a positive step, it would be wrong to assume they were the work of one person.

Many officials were involved in negotiations on the agreements, even though the Prime Minister was there during the signing so could take some credit.

While there is interest in Mr Abbott’s handling of relations with Asia, Dr Thomson said this was probably because officials would be interested in what was said during bilateral meetings.

“I don’t think it is the case that anyone thinks Mr Abbott is an Asian expert,” Dr Thomson said.

From the link in the opening post.

Re: Abbott Trumps Rudd On China

*crikey*mate* — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:14:08 GMT

i found similar articles just then from the age, shm, abc.net, the australian

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*crikey*mate* — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:16:51 GMT

how reputable is the age?

Abbott in China shows skills beyond his years

Re: Abbott Trumps Rudd On China

boris1gary — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:20:54 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
The Daily Telegraph - how come they are the only newspaper publishing anything at all positive about Tony Abbott?

i can't find anything else on the China "story", maybe I'm not looking in the "right" places, havn't tried the kids section yet.

Re: Abbott Trumps Rudd On China

*crikey*mate* — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:21:46 GMT

just google rudd china - heaps to pick from

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boris1gary — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:22:08 GMT

@*crikey*mate* wrote:
i found similar articles just then from the age, shm, abc.net, the australian

are those articles today or yesterday?

Re: Abbott Trumps Rudd On China

cherry*135 — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:26:43 GMT

@*crikey*mate* wrote:
how reputable is the age?

Abbott in China shows skills beyond his years

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-in-china-shows-skills-beyond-his-years-20140410-zqsxs.html#ixzz34JRhE3Mi

Interesting piece in that one (an opinion piece)

Gillard’s deft handling of the Chinese culminating in her successful visit just over a year ago, is a case in point.

One China insider this week described the Gillard achievement of securing "strategic partnership" status with Beijing in early 2013 as “really remarkable”.

Although some contend her Beijing focus came at a cost to other issues in the region - including the Japan free trade push.

Abbott is building on these solid foundations.

Re: Abbott Trumps Rudd On China

debra9275 — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:27:07 GMT

from The Age article

One China insider this week described the Gillard achievement of securing "strategic partnership" status with Beijing in early 2013 as “really remarkable”.

Although some contend her Beijing focus came at a cost to other issues in the region - including the Japan free trade push.

Abbott is building on these solid foundations.

so he's building on solid foundations ... OK

Re: Abbott Trumps Rudd On China

debra9275 — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:27:27 GMT

snap Am3 lol

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cherry*135 — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:30:33 GMT

Snap, Debra

That is what I thought, before I read any links. ..what foundations had his predecesors built before Abbott came along.

Wasn't there criticism from the business people in Australia, about the Japan agreement because Abbott wouldn't release details of all that was in it before he signed it?

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debra9275 — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:30:05 GMT

well same here, common sense really

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boris1gary — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:08:23 GMT

I wonder if abbott is asking the BHP Billiton boss that is travelling with him about all the sackings going on in Australia, Billiton are shedding jobs all over the joint while the boss trots around with our pm....sickening.

Shorten says PM a dud, Pyne dangerous

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azureline** — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:40:02 GMT

Well, Hallelujah...... not before time!

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boris1gary — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:13:24 GMT

abbotts new best friend....Canadia, or is it China or Japan or...... - well its all a little worrying...

http://theaimn.com/war-games/

But as he barrels around the world having his photo taken with his “best friends”, what is Tony actually doing, other than scoping out new casino sites for James Packer, since he doesn’t bother taking any expert advisers with him?

In the latest news, it appears we are going to become arms dealers for Stephen Harper.

Reading an ABC article I came across this line

“Canada wants Australia to help it engage in security issues in Asia.”

In trying to find out more about this I came across this article from 2011.

“Finally the government released its latest deeply-flawed report on Canada’s military exports between 2007 and 2009.
According to the Canadian Association of Defence and Security Industries (CADSI) — a government-funded lobby group representing 860 member companies — Canada now exports $5 Billion to $7.5 Billion in military and so-called “security” products per year.

Despite massive loopholes in the government’s report, their data does reveal that almost all of Canada’s military exports went straight into the **bleep**nals of about 40 belligerent nations fighting in the Iraq and/or Afghan wars, which have killed over 1.5 million people.

Few know that in 2009, Canada was virtually tied in a three-way race for sixth place among the world’s top arms exporters, right behind the U.S., Russia, Germany, the UK and China.

Nowadays, with $4 billion a year in military products streaming stateside, Canada is America’s top military supplier, and their hardware is deeply embedded in U.S. weapons fighting on three important war fronts: North Africa (Libya), the Middle East (Iraq and Israel) and Central Asia (Afghanistan). Such U.S.-led invasions, occupations, proxy wars and regime changes have long enforced unjust structures of economic control over resources in the Third World. Canadian complicity in manufacturing, exporting and deploying the instruments of war, has helped maintain their high-rank among the world’s most prosperous nations.”

So we are forming defence links and having military exercises with China, who are in a dispute with Japan, whose side we have openly defended, even castigating the Chinese Ambassador, whilst brokering arms deals for Harper, presumably to both sides since we are ON both sides, but we are warning them to be peaceful. But what of the US?

Just to make sure that everyone is being peaceful, we are going to send $12 billion into the US economy to keep their armament industry thriving in the hope that ten years down the track they will have worked out how to make those 72 planes fly.

In the meantime we’ll spend $4 billion buying eight highly-sophisticated P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol planes for the Royal Australian Air Force. The US-built aircraft will be delivered in 2017 to replace the Cold War-era P3 Orion aircraft. The Poseidon will come equipped with torpedoes and harpoon missiles to destroy submarines and warships.

And just to make sure American arms manufacturers have enough of our money, a report in February said seven US-made drones would be purchased for Aus$3 billion ($2.7 billion), but Abbott said the details of how many and when had yet to be finalized.

And why should South Korea be left out. After admonishing Tony about a Gillard decision to cancel a gun order, he appears to have promised the South Koreans that we will buy guns from them too because Lord knows, we need more guns.

The Navy’s two supply ships, HMAS Sirius and HMAS Success need replacing, so the Government is buying two new ships but only two firms, one Spanish, and one South Korean, will get the chance to tender for the job.

Re: Abbott Trumps Rudd On China

cherples — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:22:17 GMT

Is it a peeing competition?