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Taxpayer funded Nannies

bella_again — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:37:40 GMT

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/federal-government-proposal-for-taxpayerfunded-athome-nannies/story-fni0cx12-1226994712791?nk=3360eddc8a6125595a81b93a128826ff

I don't know about this, I could never have employed a nanny to bring up my kids. As a parent that's something I wanted to do myself. Surely by far the best form of child care is a parent staying home. Surely it costs the government more for these kinds of subsidies? Maybe I am old fashioned and I certainly don't mean to be offensive in anyway but if we have kids don't we want to be the ones raise them? I have known parents/carers that drop their kids off as soon as care opens and pick them up before it closes and I think that is such a shame as they get to spend so little time with them. I don't know maybe the world has moved on since mine were little!

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cherry*135 — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 07:14:38 GMT

I think the world has moved on. My eldest is nearly 26. I went back to work when she was 1, then about 8 mths later I was made redundant (the whole Dept. closed).

We had a lady come to our house to look after her. This lady had 2 kids of her own at primary school and she would collect them after school and bring them back to our house. It worked well. I preferred the care at home to putting a1yo in a daycare centre. My daughter loved to play with the older kids after school. The lady would take her out in the daytime...to the park, to her own house sometimes, to the school..
Either way we paid for all the daycare ourselves.

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handmadeaustralia — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 07:18:46 GMT

I'm sure they do but sometimes that's just not possible if the family is to be fed and clothed and actually have a roof over their heads. it's sad but just how the world works now days.

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bella_again — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 07:32:36 GMT

I do understand that honestly I was actually wondering why there isn't more support for those who choose to be home for a time. Surely that would be a better investment?

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purple_haize — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 07:38:17 GMT

My granddaughter is in day care 4 days a week, she gets to play with other children they are supplied a hot meal at lunch time and fruit and healthy snacks during the day. On the day she is not there, I have her.

Her mother has to work to keep the family going. She also has a son, and he is in primary school.

Todays way of living is different to yrs. gone by, where the mother had a choice if she wanted to work or not, these days, most mothers work to help pay the bills and keep a roof over their heads and food.

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fiestas*girl — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 08:24:26 GMT

typical of the lnp..cut education and hospital funding, pensions etc yet provide taxpayer funded nannies, oh and throw īn 75k for a richy rich to pop out a baby....

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fiestas*girl — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:03:45 GMT

this burns me up cause PMT told the nation we have to pull our belts in. do our bit for the budget..

frankly i am happier to pull my belt in for hospitals and education and seniors pensions

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chuk_77 — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 11:22:02 GMT

hmmm, to do this though the current CCB elegibility requirements have to be changed, which would completely throw out the National Quality Framework Assessment criteria...oops

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crystal**flake — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 11:25:05 GMT

No!!

I'm sick of paying for people to breed.

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bella_again — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:01:21 GMT

I have to agree there fiesta, on one hand its we are in a budget crisis and on the other we can suddenly find a whole heap of funding for a scheme such as this. Of course there is the issue that unless parents work they can't feed their kids and if they can't access decent child care it can create a whole host of other social problems. So I wondered whether it was actually cheaper to help support one parent mum or dad to stay home at the necessary times and work when possible.

As opposed to an entire funding model that will leave the country in more debt and create other issues as Chuk pointed out which in turn will mean more investment to train people up and invest in a quality framework etc etc

I hear you Crystal but the country needs kids in order to be healthy so if only the rich had kids our pool of workers into the future would be dismal. An issue we are already facing with not enough working age people paying tax and more older Australians needing support. Far better to create a system that supports families that will be of benefit later on to the country.

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i-need-a-martini — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:08:18 GMT

I don't get it.

We have a childcare system that is fast becoming unaffordable for low-average income earners.

Yet, the govt wants to put money into a one-on-one care system that is going to cost a bomb to activate and administer?

Something just doesn't add up here.

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lightningdance — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:13:14 GMT

If Labor had just stopped making most child care workers university graduates in child care therefore pricing childcare out of the market then affordable child care would be sufficient for all.

I'm sure the child care policy will be restructured making it affordable again and not trying to garner all low paid workers into their own party or union like Labor did.

Honestly, labor corrupted everything to cling onto power and now are the party of "compassion" like the Greens, useless at everything except their own self interest.

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***super_nova*** — Tue, 22 Jul 2014 01:56:23 GMT

@fiestas*girl wrote:
typical of the lnp..cut education and hospital funding, pensions etc yet provide taxpayer funded nannies, oh and throw īn 75k for a richy rich to pop out a baby....

While I agree with the rest, the nannies are not just for the wealthy. If you have 3 or more kids creche would cost more than nanny. Not to mention the nightmare of having to drop off and pick up all the kids from different places. It is much easier to have one person to mind the lot; be home with the babies and take the older ones to school and take care of them before and after school.

Of - course, paying stay at home parents would be the best solution.

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***super_nova*** — Tue, 22 Jul 2014 02:03:30 GMT

@lightningdance wrote:

I'm sure the child care policy will be restructured making it affordable again and not trying to garner all low paid workers into their own party or union like Labor did.

right, so you would be happy to leave some 16 years old twitty kid in charge of you infant all day just to save some money? Childcare workers are one of the lowest paid people, and early childhood development is so important.

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boris1gary — Tue, 22 Jul 2014 02:17:39 GMT

Productivity Commission sceptical of value of Abbott's parental leave scheme

Commission's draft report suggests money would be better spent on early childhood education and care, which it says would increase workforce participation

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/productivity-commission-sceptical-of-value-of-abbotts-parental-leave-scheme

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the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 22 Jul 2014 03:14:04 GMT

Without in any way wishing to devalue the work and commitment of childcare workers, my personal feeling is that from the child's point of view, childcare in his/her own home is a better option than out of home care.

I am also uneasy with the insistance on education with regard to childcare centres. Why do two and three year olds need to receive "education"?

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chuk_77 — Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:38:26 GMT

part of the educagtion a child gets in care is the ability to mix with different children, genders, abilities. To learn about sharing, taking turns, awareness of others. They learn how they fit in in the world. In their own home this is almost impossible unless there are siblings, but even then the above is limited. The term education is so broad. Its not sitting a 2 or 3 year old down and "teaching" them. Counting songs, nursery rhymes running, climbing, jumping, games. Even eating lunch in a group can teach a child about other cultures, teach manners, how to act in small groups

Its all learning/education. Taking calculated risks. In child care and education its all about learning through play.

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the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:52:42 GMT

Chuk, I do appreciate how important it is for children to learn social skills, I know how dedicated most childcare workers are and of course, when children are in out of home childcare they need to learn all the things you mentioned. I also realise that some parents are not very good at "socialising" their children

What worries me though is that these factors can sometimes lead to a warped assumption that childcare is better educationally for children than home care and that those kids who do not have this 'benefit' are somehow missing out.

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***super_nova*** — Wed, 23 Jul 2014 06:20:44 GMT

I think that there needs to balance; one or 2 half days at kinda for the little ones is more than enough. When my daughter was little we were lucky that there were several families in our area with kids about her age, and we were visiting each other on daily basis. We even made a little pixie gate from our place to next door. And there are always various playgroups for both the kids and parents to make friends

Some of my friends worked full time early on, and their kids were left in creche, and I cannot say that they were better for it. I think it is important that kids are not just playing all day; it is good for them to have to go to the supermarket and learn to behave, or let mum to make a phone call, or clean house and understand they cannot be entertained and have somebody's undivided attention every second of the day. One of the most import things I was told when I was getting ready to have a baby was "children need to experience little frustrations and hurts to learn to cope with big frustrations and hurts when they grow up".

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k0llectable5 — Thu, 24 Jul 2014 00:20:18 GMT

I totally agree with you super nova. It's all about balance.

One point I'd like to raise as well is all these families that have both parents that work full-time, it's a bit like whats the point? I know people are heavily in debt these days and need to pay mortgages ect but honestly (as a mother) if you are planning a serious career or want/need to work full-time why have children? I think the family unit is one of the most important aspects of life. People that work full-time when their children a young just miss out on so much of their childrens "growing up"