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While we're talking about nutty religious demands

karliandjacko — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:14:57 GMT

Who'd want to be on this flight?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/26/ultra-orthodox-jews-delay-el-al-flight-refusing-to-sit-near-women/

One passenger described the trip as “an 11-hour long nightmare.”

El Al passengers heading to Israel to celebrate the Jewish new year were delayed leaving New York on the eve of Rosh Hashanah when ultra-Orthodox passengers refused to sit near women.

Because their beliefs require men and women to be segregated, the ultra-Orthodox men, recognizable by their black hats and curly tendrils over the ears, attempted to trade their pre-assigned seats with other passengers, offering money in some cases, the Israeli news Web site ynetnews.com reported.

The pilot pleaded for them to sit down and the flight finally took off. But after takeoff, chaos erupted.

“I ended up sitting next to a … man who jumped out of his seat the moment we had finished taking off and proceeded to stand in the aisle,” a woman passenger identified only as Galit told Ynet. The man had asked her to move from the seat beside her husband to accommodate his religious beliefs, but she refused.

“People stood in the aisles and refused to go forward,” said Amit Ben-Natan, a passenger who was on board the plane.

“I went to the bathroom and it was a mission impossible, the noise was endless,” Galit said of the men crowding the aisle and praying loudly.

El Al promised to look into the issue, Ynet reported: “The company will examine the complaints and if some passengers are found to have acted out of line the company will examine its future steps,” the airline said.

This isn’t the first time the Israeli airline has run into trouble with ultra-Orthodox men, also called “Haredim.”

Haaretz reported that in 2012 El Al noticed an increasing number of Haredi men asking to switch seats to avoid sitting next to women. Large groups of up to 20 would try to reserve seats in blocks to avoid it. They would also approach female passengers asking to trade seats before takeoff. An American woman sued, claiming an El Al flight attendant moved her to the back of the plane to accommodate Haredi men.

Israeli ultra-Orthodox communities have also lobbied for gender segregation on buses, at checkout counters and in other public spaces. Sitting next to women isn’t the only issue for ultra-Orthodox airplane passengers.

Airlines have also had to deal with ultra-Orthodox men of priestly descent called “kohanim” sealing themselves in plastic bags used to transport dead bodies to avoid ritual impurity when flying over a cemetery. According to Haredi Rabbi Yosef Shalom Eliashiv, sealing oneself in a plastic bag is the solution to this problem.

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

debra9275 — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:27:41 GMT

OMG I don't understand this religion just as I don't understand Islam (no offence meant to anyone,I just don't understand them)

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:30:51 GMT

While we're talking about nutty religious demands

what other nutty religious demands are

we talking about LOL

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

karliandjacko — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:31:06 GMT

@debra9275 wrote:
OMG I don't understand this religion just as I don't understand Islam (no offence meant to anyone,I just don't understand them)

Me neither. They sound like a bunch of spoiled brats in grade 3 who don't want girl germs.

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

lealta — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:37:34 GMT

I can't imagine why any airline would adhere to the religeous demands of any group. The airlines have rules they follow and shouldn't have to change them to accomodate passengers. I would have told the men to pound sand and when they stood in the aisle, the airline should have insisted that they sit down, as they were creating a dangerous situation. The pilot should have put on the seatbelt sign, forcing them to sit down. If passengers don't follow the things a pilot says to do, they can be arrested.

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

bright.ton42 — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 07:56:32 GMT

One has to ask where does God come into this

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

bushies.girl — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:52:27 GMT

She doesnt 😞

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

bright.ton42 — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:20:54 GMT

Too true.

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

channys_mum — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 12:01:43 GMT

absolutely

So I guessd these guys don't reproduce

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

ui_au2014 — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:27:47 GMT

no. but they tell their fellow jews to multiply like rabbits.

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

ui_au2014 — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:40:09 GMT

...and they throw stones at moderate jews who dare to drive around on saturday etc.

i am so sick of religions.

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

karliandjacko — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:02:32 GMT

@ui_au2014 wrote:
...and they throw stones at moderate jews who dare to drive around on saturday etc.

i am so sick of religions.

It's like what ever the religion there is an element of nut job in those that take the ancient text too seriously and refuse to move with the times.

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

ui_au2014 — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:12:40 GMT

well the problem with islam is that it is the only religion that advocates to kill people who refuse to become muslims. it is also the only religion that has the death penalty for apostates.

it is also the only religion that tells people not to make friends with "infidels".

ever heard of taqiyya?

once i was ignorant but then i read up about it and the more you read the more apalled you are.

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

ui_au2014 — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:16:56 GMT

i know so called "moderate" muslims. they are just like you and me but won't eat pork. great people who have never actually read the q'ran otherwise they would be so apalled that they would apostasise from islam altogether.

BUT...

they have kids....and the q'ran is in the bookshelf....

the seed of evil is there. ready to blossom.

Re: While we're talking about nutty religious demands

softail-joanie — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:42:13 GMT

That's kinda weird, but not the weirdest thing i think. I'd change seats just to avoid being arrested. But after my last, or first, same thing, trip on a plane where TSA made me miss my flight, i'd drive or ride the bus in the first place.