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Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

nero_bolt — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 03:16:32 GMT

The LAME DUCK powerless President Obama and his lame climate deal will NEVER happen and as per anything from Obama its a fraud

It will never get past the US congress for a starter

Much of the Australian media seems very excited by Barack Obama’s deal with China to slash America’s emissions today for a promise to restrain China’s by 2030. The deal:

The United States intends to achieve an economy-wide target of reducing its emissions by 26%-28% below its 2005 level in 2025 and to make best efforts to reduce its emissions by 28%. China intends to achieve the peaking of CO2 emissions around 2030 and to make best efforts to peak early and intends to increase the share of non-fossil fuels in primary energy consumption to around 20% by 2030.

America’s dominant political party, though, can see some obvious flaws:

S. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) slammed the climate deal announced early Wednesday morning by President Barack Obama, contending it would hurt the American economy…

“This unrealistic plan…would ensure higher utility rates and far fewer jobs...,” the senator, who is expected to be the next majority leader, concluded.

“Easing the burden already created by EPA regulations will continue to be a priority for me in the new Congress.”

More Republican anger:

Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) ..., who is poised to take the helm of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee next year, said China cannot be expected to hold up its end of the bargain in the deal announced late Tuesday night.

“It’s hollow and not believable for China to claim it will shift 20 percent of its energy to non-fossil fuels by 2030, and a promise to peak its carbon emissions only allows the world’s largest economy to buy time,” Inhofe said in a statement on Wednesday. “China builds a coal-fired power plant every 10 days, is the largest importer of coal in the world, and has no known reserves of natural gas.”..

“The American people spoke against the President’s climate policies in this last election,” Inhofe said. “As we enter a new Congress, I will do everything in my power to reign in and shed light on the EPA’s unchecked regulations.”

UPDATE

All promises, no punishments:

The statement reiterates policies China and the United States have been developing on their own and contains no new binding limits on greenhouse emissions.

Obama is trying to commit his successors to do something so unpopular that he kept it secret until after the mid-term elections:

President Obama’s signature on the deal has no legal force. And it will be up to future Presidents and Congresses after he leaves office in January 2017 to decide whether to require the emissions reductions agreed to.

A good deal for China, not least because it costs little while hurting its main geopolitical rival:

China’s government has been discussing an energy and climate strategy based on emissions peaking in either 2025 or 2030; the joint announcement opts for the later target, which is easier to achieve.

The joint announcement employs language very carefully. Throughout, the operative word is “intend” or “intention”, which makes clear the statement is not meant to create any new obligations.

China’s 2030 emissions target is set in terms of a date but says nothing about the level at which emissions will peak.

The Greens are cheering a deal which lets China rip on coal-fired and nuclear plants:

China consumed as much coal as the rest of the world in 2012.

It plans to build another 50 coal plants, which may produce an estimated 1.1 billion tons of carbon dioxide per year…

It has 21 nuclear reactors in operation and another 28 under construction or planned.

The Greens cheer a deal built on technologies they actually oppose:

The Australian Greens are congratulating the US and China on their agreement to act on global warming and say it’s not too late for Australia to get on board.

“This should be a massive wake-up call to Tony Abbott. His continued climate denial and his destruction of the environment is reckless,” said Greens Leader Christine Milne.

“Tony Abbott is so busy unwinding Australia’s climate policies that he failed to notice the global economy is changing around him. He is risking billions of dollars in investment and thousands of jobs.”

In fact, the US has had emissions fall lately largely because its shale gas revolution - thanks to fracking - has dramatically lowered the price of gas, especially relative to coal, as the EPA notes:

This decrease [in emissions] from 2011 to 2012 is primarily a result of the decrease in the carbon intensity of fuels used to generate electricity due to a slight increase in the price of coal, and a significant decrease in the price of natural gas.

China’s promises to increase its non-fossil fuels to 20 per cent of all primary power supplies by using exactly the technologies the Greens hate - nuclear and hydro power:

Mainland China has 22 nuclear power reactors in operation, 26 under construction, and more about to start construction.

Additional reactors are planned, including some of the world’s most advanced, to give more than a three-fold increase in nuclear capacity to at least 58 GWe by 2020, then some 150 GWe by 2030, and much more by 2050…

Most of mainland China’s electricity is produced from fossil fuels (79% from coal, 2% from gas in 2011) and hydropower (15%)… Nuclear power contributed 2.1% of the total production in 2013 – 105 billion kWh according to IAEA....

At the end of 2010, fossil fuelled capacity (mostly coal) reached 707 GWe, hydro capacity was 213 GWe (up 16.6 GWe in the year), nuclear capacity was 10.8 GWe and wind capacity reached 31 GWe…

The Greens, though, are against fracking, against nuclear and against new dams.

The Greens wish the ends but not the means. They instead push technologies that would cripple us

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

gleee58 — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 04:15:01 GMT

These your own thoughts are they or is it a copy of someone elses writing?

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

tezza2844 — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 04:37:36 GMT

nero_bolt apparently was access to staff and sources most of us only can dream about. Has most the longest and most extensive posts I've ever seen on any boards.

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

polksaladallie — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 04:43:14 GMT

Perhaps something changes hands?

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

gleee58 — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 04:47:36 GMT

Seems to have a fetish for calling other people nasty names. I wonder if there is a bit of a game involved with selecting which name to call who today.

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

cherry*135 — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:23:13 GMT

Emissions deal: Abbott looks like a shag on a rock

The Australian prime minister knew APEC was not going to be an easy meeting. Tony Abbott was expecting it to be tense when he "shirt-fronted" Russian President Vladimir Putin. But he wasn't expecting it would be the leaders of the United States and China who would leave him like a shag on a rock on climate change.

This is Abbott's most glaring ideological blind spot.

His advisers continue to insist it is a non-issue, that there is no friction between Abbott and Obama on climate, citing as evidence that there was no mention of it at the first White House meeting. Yet Obama has made clear at every opportunity that he wants to drive the agenda forward, together with the other big polluters. He called a special UN summit which Abbott and his pal, Canada's Stephen Harper, deliberately brushed – in Abbott's case with surgical precision – arriving in New York just hours after it was over.

The government dismisses the risk of Australia being seen as a laggard, but the US-China climate pact has made its position look absurd.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/emissions-deal-abbott-looks-like-a-shag-on-a-rock-20141113-11ljxb.html

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

nero_bolt — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 01:55:41 GMT

If you do the maths, the additional CO2 that China will emit between today and 2030 (when they start to reduce emissions), over and above current levels, would take Australia over 330 years to produce.

330 years

The Obma deal is a dud and dead in the water.. A con and a fraud

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

nero_bolt — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 02:11:38 GMT

IT doesn’t take much to fool the hopey-wishy media, as the announcement of a non-binding agreement between the US and China on global warming has so clearly demonstrated.

Labor and the Greens were also there, sucked in and trying to exploit the empty pledge to wedge the Abbott government on its Direct Action emission reduction plan.

Stripped of the pretentious verbiage, the announcement merely states that the US and China have a non-binding intention to cut C02 emissions.

The Chinese have made a Peking duck out of the lame-duck US President Barack Obama — who was resoundingly rejected by American voters at last week’s midterm elections.

Reader Alan M. Jones put the Obama administration’s non-binding intention “to achieve an economy-wide target of reducing emissions by 26 per cent to 28 per cent” by 2025 into perspective.

He found that the US reduction target, based on its peak 2005 emissions baseline of 6112 million tonnes per year, if achieved, would bring US C02 emissions to about 4523 million tonnes by 2025, or to about 5318 million tonnes by 2020, or in other words about 11 per cent below 2000 US levels of 5971 million tonnes.

Owing to a combination of sluggish economic growth under the Obama presidency and the huge uptake of domestic gas, the US had already dropped to almost exactly that level (5383 million tonnes) by 2012.

China’s non-binding intention to reduce emissions from 2030 is equally laughable.

By contrast, the Abbott government has won binding legislation that will see Australia reduce its C02 emissions by 2020 by 5 per cent below its low 2000 levels, unconditionally, or 13 per cent below its similarly relatively high 2005 C02 output.

While Labor, the Greens and their media friends at the ABC and Fairfax Media have tried to beat up on the Coalition, the authoritative US journal The Hill reports from Washington that senior Republican, Senator James Inhofe, who will head the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee next year, says China can’t be expected to hold up its end of the bargain.

“It’s hollow and not believable for China to claim it will shift 20 per cent of its energy to non-fossil fuels by 2030, and a promise to peak its carbon emissions only allows the world’s largest economy to buy time,” Inhofe said. “China builds a coal-fired power plant every 10 days, is the largest importer of coal in the world, and has no known reserves of natural gas.

“This deal is a non-binding charade.”

China accounted for more than 70 per cent of the world’s energy consumption growth in 2011, according to the BP Statistical Review of World Energy, and not unnaturally, its emissions have risen correspondingly.

China’s chief negotiator at the Doha climate change conference, Xie Zhenhua, told the Xinhua news agency that the country’s greenhouse gas emissions — which rose 171 per cent between 2000 and 2011, and by just under 10 per cent last year — would keep rising until its per capita GDP had reached $20,000 to $25,000. It currently stands at $5000.

Taking anything the Chinese say at face value is risky though, as the left-wingers’ bible The Guardian acknowledged in its report on the non-binding deal.

The paper reported that “China’s environmental authorities are notoriously opaque, making the true extent of its carbon emissions — and its progress in mitigating them — difficult to assess. In June, scientists from China, Britain and the US reviewed data from China’s National Bureau of Statistics and found that the country’s total emissions from 1997 to 2010 may be 20 per cent (1.4 billion tonnes) higher than reported.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/obama-a-peking-lameduck-president/story-fni0cwl5-1227122263162

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

nero_bolt — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 05:25:25 GMT

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

j*oono — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:01:43 GMT

No surprises here.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/republicans_rebel_against_climate_deal/

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

cherry*135 — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:15:50 GMT

Bolt's opinion then.

This made me (the citation needed)

wikipedia - It [Bolt's blog] is now Australia's most-read political blog.[citation needed]

Heat goes on climate change policy

The Australian government naturally has the opportunity to join in and make a break from the deception and lies pumped into the election sphere during the three years before taking office. But that outcome is unlikely.

It is clear that once you label an issue as **bleep**, there is little wriggle room. Once you label extraordinary people as lacking or witch-like there is little grace left in the spiritual tank.

This is where the Abbott government's passion for dismissing people and movements is so terribly wrong. There is no turning back from the thin denials and gross nastiness. The fear and bagging garners the votes but it does not get you out of the gutter when ethical guardianship has a day like it had yesterday.

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

katymatey* — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:20:13 GMT

From what I understand China will do nothing until 2030. USA 2% per year reductions. Won't happen.

Just more flim flam and hot air.

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

nero_bolt — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:40:03 GMT

@katymatey* wrote:
From what I understand China will do nothing until 2030. USA 2% per year reductions. Won't happen.

Just more flim flam and hot air.

yes it is but it makes all the luvvies and greenies feel good

They can see post #8 above

IT doesn’t take much to fool the hopey-wishy media, as the announcement of a non-binding agreement between the US and China on global warming has so clearly demonstrated.

Labor and the Greens were also there, sucked in

and its never going to happen The lame duck Obma is simply talking through his &&&&

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

gleee58 — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:54:10 GMT

Phew, it's not ground hog day after all 😄

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softail-joanie — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:14:42 GMT

these governments of the world are globalist motivated ran by corperations that make too much money poluting the enviroment. This talk of clean energy is hogwash. if they were really serious, they would not have killed off the electric car in the late 90s. Staged the 9/11 attacks to wreck more of the enviroment, all this makes them money and works in favor of their plans for depopulation, basically, killing off the majority of people and making the rest their slaves.

I know people are gonna see this as crazy rantings, but theres so much evidence that proves it's true. it's easy to find, everywhere, kinda have to look though and some thinking is required.

However, global warming is a fact, happends naturaly but humans are spuring it on, speeding it up. It's just easy to discredit because of what governments do with the issue. While we argue about the nature of global warming, we aren't paying attention to their criminal activites, they love that.

Re: Obamas Climate Deal will NEVER happen

gleee58 — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:36:05 GMT

@katymatey* wrote:
From what I understand China will do nothing until 2030. USA 2% per year reductions. Won't happen.

Just more flim flam and hot air.

China will continue to build renewable power supplies until then, as they are doing now. They are trying to reduce air pollution, which is a real every day problem for them.

Review, from the Conversation

The view that China’s announced target is feasible but arduous is correct. It is also true that a peaking of carbon dioxide emissions in China is possible before 2025, given strong Chinese policy efforts and future changes to the rate and nature of China’s economic growth. China has extensive policies in place to constrain the growth in energy use and to shift away from coal, and under this commitment China will intensify those efforts.

It is important to understand that China’s effort is much broader even than the authors of this FactCheck suggest. The text correctly points out the importance of renewable energy expansion, but improvements in energy efficiency and the transformation of China’s economic structure towards high-value manufacturing and services will do more to dampen carbon emissions growth. In my own analysis, my colleagues and I found that a carbon dioxide peak around 2025 would be achieved by maintaining a 4% per year improvement in economy-wide energy productivity, and a 1.0-1.5% annual reduction in the carbon intensity of energy supply. The former comes through better technical efficiency and structural change, the latter through a shift from coal to gas, renewables and nuclear power. – Frank Jotzo

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-does-the-new-climate-deal-let-china-do-nothing-for-16-years-34239