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If this is true

the_hawk* — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 00:43:52 GMT

If this is true its a bloody disgrace and an insult to the Australian people.

How does Toni think he is entitled to be paid so much more than any other primeminister in the world.

Talk about feeling entitled and its not like he is even doing an average job.

https://www.businessvibes.com/blog/How-Much-Salaries-World-Leaders-Get-Paid

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polksaladallie — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 00:54:59 GMT

Re: If this is true

Anonymous — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 01:05:01 GMT

How does Toni think he is entitled to be paid so much more than any other primeminister in the world.

not even close

http://www.richestlifestyle.com/highest-paid-political-leaders-in-the-world/

Re: If this is true

gkam2 — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 01:19:00 GMT

Careful, your bias is showing, try complaining about the $4.5 million to the guy who runs the P.O.into the ground.

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icyfroth — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 02:00:39 GMT

@the_hawk* wrote:
If this is true its a bloody disgrace and an insult to the Australian people.

How does Toni think he is entitled to be paid so much more than any other primeminister in the world.

Talk about feeling entitled and its not like he is even doing an average job.

https://www.businessvibes.com/blog/How-Much-Salaries-World-Leaders-Get-Paid

Might be worth pointing out that Tony Abbott FROZE MP's salaries when he took office AND it was Julia Gillard

who was PM when she got a $114,000 pay rise in 2011 which took it to the current level.

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gleee58 — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 02:17:28 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@the_hawk* wrote:
If this is true its a bloody disgrace and an insult to the Australian people.

How does Toni think he is entitled to be paid so much more than any other primeminister in the world.

Talk about feeling entitled and its not like he is even doing an average job.

https://www.businessvibes.com/blog/How-Much-Salaries-World-Leaders-Get-Paid

Might be worth pointing out that Tony Abbott FROZE MP's salaries when he took office AND it was Julia Gillard
who was PM when she got a $114,000 pay rise in 2011 which took it to the current level.

Since you're pointing things out, Abbott mocked Labor for freezing MP pays calling it a populist stunt and did not freeze MPs pays when he came to office. He did agree to a 12 month MP pay freeze to start in July last year although the request was belatedly made to the tribunnal so it may or may not have become reality.

And since you can't help but attack Gillard it would be useful to include all the information about the changes introduced with the pay change.

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tezza2844 — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 02:18:39 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@the_hawk* wrote:
If this is true its a bloody disgrace and an insult to the Australian people.

How does Toni think he is entitled to be paid so much more than any other primeminister in the world.

Talk about feeling entitled and its not like he is even doing an average job.

https://www.businessvibes.com/blog/How-Much-Salaries-World-Leaders-Get-Paid

Might be worth pointing out that Tony Abbott FROZE MP's salaries when he took office AND it was Julia Gillard
who was PM when she got a $114,000 pay rise in 2011 which took it to the current level.

They are definetly overpaid, but Tony Abbott history in the past says that this was just a political stunt:

The Coalition attacked a pay freeze by Kevin Rudd in 2008. Joe Hockey yesterday said it was a stunt :
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/budget-2014/tony-abbott-puts-the-freeze-on-mps-pay-rise/story-fnmbxr2t-1226913779838

Tony Abbott defends increase in MP salary, saying he's working hard for every Australian:
http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/senator-lashes-out-as-pollies-given-another-5500-pay-rise/story-e6frfmci-1226416182460

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***super_nova*** — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 02:18:54 GMT

TA is being paid considerably more than heads of many other countries. I cannot see any reason why our PM should be paid about the same as president of US and almost double to British PM.

Re: If this is true

debra9275 — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 02:37:28 GMT

though abbott and co, tried to make out 'they had decided to take a pay cut" and were tightening their belts like they were telling everyone else to do, The decision to freeze MP's wages had absolutely nothing to do with them, it was a tribunal decision

some people fell for the lie though

here's some more on it

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/remuneration-tribunal-decided-in-april-against-wage-increases-for-mps-and-top-public-servants/story-fn84fgcm-1226914847040

Remuneration Tribunal decided in April against wage increases for MPs and top public servants

IT was sold as a last-minute decision by the Government to freeze wages of its Federal MPs to ensure they were hit by their own chunk of Budget pain. But that wasn’t quite right.

As it turns out, the body which sets those wages had already decided pay rates would be untouched.

The independent Remuneration Tribunal made a preliminary move in April to not recommend rises for MPs (base salary $195,000) and senior public servants for the 12 months from midyear.

“For some months, noting the Government’s policy, it has been evident that any wages movement in the APS (Australian Public Service) and federal public sector would be restrained,” said the tribunal in a statement today.

“Indeed, at its April meeting, the Tribunal’s preliminary conclusion was that it would determine no annual review increase for offices in its jurisdiction from 1 July, 2014.”

That meeting was held well before Treasurer Joe Hockey said the pay of MPs and top public servants would be capped for 12 months because “we are going to contribute ourselves” to the Budget repair task.

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cherry*135 — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 02:43:00 GMT

Taxpayers should get a refund from the PM, theTreasurer and Education Ministers for their salaries. They are all incompetent.

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the_bob_delusion — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 03:43:51 GMT

$400,000 that's pittence for a world leader.

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polksaladallie — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 03:52:01 GMT

@*julia*2010 wrote:
How does Toni think he is entitled to be paid so much more than any other primeminister in the world.

not even close

http://www.richestlifestyle.com/highest-paid-political-leaders-in-the-world/

If anyone is sensitive, don't look at the pic of TA in this link.

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gleee58 — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 04:15:42 GMT

@debra9275 wrote:
though abbott and co, tried to make out 'they had decided to take a pay cut" and were tightening their belts like they were telling everyone else to do, The decision to freeze MP's wages had absolutely nothing to do with them, it was a tribunal decision

Thanks Debra, I remembered there was some dodgy with the claim 😄

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gleee58 — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 04:21:23 GMT

@polksaladallie wrote:
@*julia*2010 wrote:
How does Toni think he is entitled to be paid so much more than any other primeminister in the world.

not even close

http://www.richestlifestyle.com/highest-paid-political-leaders-in-the-world/
If anyone is sensitive, don't look at the pic of TA in this link.

We should start sending abbott messages with a note highlighting the Singapore PM's salary. He might just pack up and bully his way into the Singapore PM's job and we could be rid of him for good.

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go-tazz — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 04:26:47 GMT

Because they basically set their own wages,(it's supposed to be set by an individual tribunal but there is

probably a high chance that they are paid by the government in some way and their pay rate goes up when

they up the government salaries).

Remember this pay rise on top of the whopping pay rise they received less then a year before it:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/anger-over-mps-pay-rise-20120704-21gfu.html

What each got in 2013 :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-01/off-the-hustings-james-glenday-politicians-pay/4790894

Somewhere along the line the whole payment system to the government has to be be brought before some sort

commission which has no links to the government.

That should include the ludicrous pension system that's in place for them.

They keep harping that it should be based on comparison to the CEO's of other big companies but fail to take

into account that those CEO's actually do their job correctly and they don't get a life time pension.

Australian politicians seem to be the only "employees" that get paid a lifetime pension after getting the sack

because they "served" their time,

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the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 04:37:41 GMT

@gkam2 wrote:
Careful, your bias is showing, try complaining about the $4.5 million to the guy who runs the P.O.into the ground.

I don't recall anyone ever suggesting the CEO of Australia Post deserved to be paid $4.5million. The argument was that whatever he was paid, any private donation he chose to make out of his salary was nobody's business but his own - maybe you don't understand the difference.

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***super_nova*** — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 04:46:12 GMT

CEOs get paid ridiculous money, but they run businesses, which can afford to pay them that. PM is just a public servant, and is paid from our taxes.

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gleee58 — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 04:51:36 GMT

@go-tazz wrote:

They keep harping that it should be based on comparison to the CEO's of other big companies but fail to take

into account that those CEO's actually do their job correctly and they don't get a life time pension.

Australian politicians seem to be the only "employees" that get paid a lifetime pension after getting the sack

because they "served" their time,

It's debatable that the CEOs always do their jobs correctly. They seem to go from one job to another without penalty even when they screw over the company they've been charged with managing.

This gov had no qualms about hiring Bill Morrow knowing he has to face court in the US for causing a few deaths which cost his earlier employer massive fines, at the same time as they were pursuing Rudd over fewer deaths that occurred when the dodgy practitioners abused the insulation scheme, causing the deaths of their workers.

And remember the Telstra asbestos problems that caused dramas for NBN Co? Yep, you guessed it, the person responsible for that mess was rewarded (by this govt) with a nice new job and a nice new pay packet at NBN Co.

Re: If this is true

Anonymous — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 04:54:29 GMT

how much do you think the prime minister

of australia should be paid? what would be

a fair amount and why?

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Anonymous — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 05:00:39 GMT

@the_bob_delusion wrote:
$400,000 that's pittence for a world leader.

agree

Who’s overpaid and who’s underpaid? How do the salaries of well-heeled Australians compare with one another.

http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2014/03/10/australias-overpaid-underpaid-workers/