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Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

village_person — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 21:51:08 GMT

Labor leader Bill Shorten slams Malcolm Turnbull, calling him “half **bleep**d” when it comes to equality

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“You can’t be half **bleep**d when it comes to equality,” he said.

“The old Malcolm Turnbull would have marched in the parade but the new Malcolm Turnbull can’t march because he’s so in thrall to the right wing of his party.”

Mr Shorten said he had attended the event on many occasions, but was marching for the first time on Saturday night and had brought his family along.

He said Mardi Gras was still “incredibly important” for the message of equality it conveyed.

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http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/labor-leader-bill-shorten-thinks-malcolm-turnbullcalling-him-half-**bleep**d-when-it-comes-to-equality/news-story/3e2974aa864364deddcaf4f812cc0400

Is Mr Shorten slowly getting closer to the day he will 'out' himself? Baby steps at first admitting he was a regular attendee at the parade but now marching proudly with the gay community.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

freddie*rooster — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 22:02:22 GMT

I think it's more important at the moment for Tone and Peta to admit their affair?

As for Bill it's important for him to support the Gay community

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

moonflyte — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 00:09:12 GMT

I feel that they both should have stayed away, trying to make cheap political points off a homosexual event?

I don't think homosexuals have anything to worry about these days, the plebicite is coming so all their aims are being met.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

freddie*rooster — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 01:40:32 GMT

"Im not going to rake over old coals and I don't respond to scurrilous gossip" Mr. Abbott said. However there were some truth to the story of a "meltdown" in Indonesia that ended in a "group hung" for staff according to colleagues, who said the former PM was well-known for a fondness for "man hugs" after disputes.

Was Mr Abbott in the crowd with Malcolm to 'out' himself?

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

lyndal1838 — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 02:49:25 GMT

@djilukjilly wrote:
I feel that they both should have stayed away, trying to make cheap political points off a homosexual event?

I don't think homosexuals have anything to worry about these days, the plebicite is coming so all their aims are being met.

It has been tradition for many years for the local members to go to the Mardi Gras....both State and Federal.

Clover Moore started it years ago and it has just grown from then.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

***super_nova*** — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 09:04:28 GMT

@village_person wrote:

Is Mr Shorten slowly getting closer to the day he will 'out' himself? Baby steps at first admitting he was a regular attendee at the parade but now marching proudly with the gay community.

How pathetic; many straight people have been going for years to show support for their friends and family members, or just to enjoy the fun. Some of the more fit also participate, for it is not easy to dance the 5km route .

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

***super_nova*** — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 09:11:38 GMT

@djilukjilly wrote:

I don't think homosexuals have anything to worry about these days, the plebicite is coming so all their aims are being met.

What are yo talking about? While marriage equality has been in forefront at this year Mardi Grass, it is not the reason for the it. The plebiscite the worst joke; everybody knows that something like 70% of population support marriage equality, so WHY on earth are we going to be spending the estimated $160 000 000? They can pass the legislation now, and then get on to trying to think about the important stuff. Waste of money, waste of time.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

amber-eyed-girl — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 15:33:57 GMT

One reason, even if supported by the majority, is that it is still a contentious topic.

A formal vote by all, would mean that as a law, it would be seen as being acceptable to the majority and therefore more easily squash opposition after the fact.

Or, if you like, being seen as not just swept in without giving us all a say.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 04:50:37 GMT

Is Mr Shorten slowly getting closer to the day he will 'out' himself?

Do you genuinely believe that Mr Shorten may be homosexual or is this a rhetorical question asked out of spite and prejudice.

If it is a genuine belief, then I'm sure you have evidence to back it up other than the fact that he - along wit Malcolm Turnbull - supports marriage equality and attended the Mardi Gras.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

village_person — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 05:21:38 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:

How pathetic; many straight people have been going for years to show support for their friends and family members, or just to enjoy the fun. Some of the more fit also participate, for it is not easy to dance the 5km route .

How pathetic: many gay people have been going for years afraid of taking that final step and happy to retain the cloak of anonimity.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

village_person — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 05:34:53 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Is Mr Shorten slowly getting closer to the day he will 'out' himself?

Do you genuinely believe that Mr Shorten may be homosexual or is this a rhetorical question asked out of spite and prejudice.

If it is a genuine belief, then I'm sure you have evidence to back it up other than the fact that he - along wit Malcolm Turnbull - supports marriage equality and attended the Mardi Gras.

I could quote a couple of passages from the bible like someone we know did to underscore a point. I shall refrain from doing so.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 05:42:54 GMT

@village_person wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Is Mr Shorten slowly getting closer to the day he will 'out' himself?

Do you genuinely believe that Mr Shorten may be homosexual or is this a rhetorical question asked out of spite and prejudice.

If it is a genuine belief, then I'm sure you have evidence to back it up other than the fact that he - along wit Malcolm Turnbull - supports marriage equality and attended the Mardi Gras.
I could quote a couple of passages from the bible like someone we know did to underscore a point. I shall refrain from doing so.

Why?

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 05:50:31 GMT

I am curious - and I'm sure many others here are also - to know how a couple of passages from the bible could constitute everdence that Bill Shorten may be homosexual. I do hope you are going to enlighten us.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

***super_nova*** — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 01:02:56 GMT

@village_person wrote:
@***super_nova*** wrote:

How pathetic; many straight people have been going for years to show support for their friends and family members, or just to enjoy the fun. Some of the more fit also participate, for it is not easy to dance the 5km route .
How pathetic: many gay people have been going for years afraid of taking that final step and happy to retain the cloak of anonimity.

How on earth does anybody attending Mardi Grass retain anonymity? Did he wear a cloak and fake mustache? LOL Are you suggesting that everybody should march instead of just come to watch? In the start it was only LGBT people who participated, only later on parents and friends of LGBT people marched in support. Considering the upcoming plebiscite it is good that politicians show exactly where they stand.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

lyndal1838 — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 07:47:06 GMT

Nova, the presence ot politicians was not just a political statement.....it has been tradition for many years that the local member should attend...State and Federal. Malcolm Turnbull was just doing his job. The ring in was Bill Shorten.

Clover Moore was the one who started the tradition....she has always supported the Mardi Gras. It caused a stir when she first attended, but now no-one turns a hair.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 08:30:35 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
I am curious - and I'm sure many others here are also - to know how a couple of passages from the bible could constitute everdence that Bill Shorten may be homosexual. I do hope you are going to enlighten us.

Well, I'm still sitting patiently under my Bodhi tree, but enlightenment appears to be as far away as ever.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

village_person — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:00:34 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
I am curious - and I'm sure many others here are also - to know how a couple of passages from the bible could constitute everdence that Bill Shorten may be homosexual. I do hope you are going to enlighten us.
Well, I'm still sitting patiently under my Bodhi tree, but enlightenment appears to be as far away as ever.

TGSE, I wondered why my new toaster came with several warnings; one of which was “do not immerse this product in water”. I thought that the product had to carry such a warning because of the nimrods in our society.

It’s the same ‘nimrod’ warning system at traffic lights that cater for pedestrians. I saw a small placard at one set of lights that explained how the system worked to guide pedestrians. The little green man meant that pedestrians could commence to cross. When the little green man turned red it meant pedestrians should not cross. All but nimrods understand the logic of such a system.

I once had to explain to you the services available to a person who enters a brothel. I have never been inside one but it ain’t hard to figure it out. Once again I was confronted by the ‘nimrod’ phase.

To top it all off someone added two quotes from the bible to underscore their ‘contribution’ to a topic. Only a nimrod would quote from a book that has as its idol a man of about average weight (let’s say 90kg) who could walk on water.

That was my point about tossing in quotes. When you toss in quotes from a dubious source you look like a nimrod.

I don't expect this reply to last very long.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:28:15 GMT

Well, I'm not going to report you. In fact if I was a great HE elephant instead of a great SHE elephant, I would be rather flattered

Nimrod: late 16th century: from Hebrew Nimrōḏ, the name of the great-grandson of Noah, known for his skill as a hunter (see Gen. 10:8-9)

https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=nimrod+origin

And you still haven't offered any evidence - biblical or otherwise - to back up your suggestion tht Bill Shorten may be homosexual.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 15:03:16 GMT

My original question to you was whether you genuinely believed Mr Shorten might be homosexual, and I asked if you could provide evidence to support this claim. You replied that you could use a couple of quotes from the bible and later referred me to "someone" who had done the same thing somewhere else.

Are we to infer from that that this mysterious "someone" used quotes from the bible as evidence that some specific person was homosexual, or are we to assume that you are using a book which you clearly believe to be fictional to prove prove that Bill Shorten might be homosexual?

Whichever it is, I still don't feel very enlightened.

Re: Will Mr Shorten 'out' himself?

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 18:05:23 GMT

I once had to explain to you the services available to a person who enters a brothel. I have never been inside one but it ain’t hard to figure it out.

I have to confess I don't recall that particular little lecture - though I'm sure you can supply a link to the thread - but I doubt that I would have found it very instructive because, unlike you, I actually have been inside a brothel.

http://www.drivewa.com/Display/poilink/id/397/title/langtrees-of-kalgoorlie

Now that really was instructive. When I did the tour it was still a working brothel, so we didn't get to see all the rooms as some were .... ummm .... occupied; but we did see the Japanese room and one designed to look like a mine shaft (local colour, I guess) and the 'Roman Orgy' room (for group "hugs") and one called the sports room with a big square bed designed to look like a boxing ring. There was also a patio area with barbecues and a pool that could be hired for functions (read stag nights) and a smoking lounge called the Alan Bond cigar lounge, complete with brown leather armchais and sofas and an original (and not very good) painting done by the man himself hanging on the wall.

On a more serious note our gude told us a bit about the history of prostitution on the Goldfields, what life was like for the working girls in the goldrush days when Kalgoorlie and Coolgardie were tent cities, and how soe of the girls were recruited from eplyment agmcies in France and Italy with stories they were going to be ladies maids or shop assistants - when they finally got to Kalgoorlie and learnt the truth it was too late - they were too far from civilisation to escape

We were told another interesting thing, too In WA it is (or was - this was some years ago so ithings may have changed) illegal for a man to own or have any part in the running of a brothel.