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Migrants Attack

donnashuggy — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 01:12:35 GMT

Who watched 60 minutes last night? Frightening stuff eh?

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daydream**believer — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 02:44:41 GMT

Yep, i watched it.

Loved the old guy on the mobie scooter. Hope he wasnt attacked after though.

Very interesting read on the 60 min fb page on this story. Many Swedish residents on their saying that their country is now lost and they fear for their safety everytime they leave the house. They are the people living through this mass immigration/ invasion

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donnashuggy — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 02:51:18 GMT

This can easily happen when you are too soft.

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***super_nova*** — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 02:57:03 GMT

Yes, frightening, but the problem you do not really know if the film crew did or did not provoke the people. It is not unheard of that film crews create situation; they cannot sit around for days waiting for something to happen. Remember when film crew claimed they are on Majorca somewhere near villa that Christopher Skase was hiding and saying they are being chased by the police, and roads were being blocked so they cannot get to the airport and they fear for their lives? LOL The footage was shot in Spain and the road closures were because of major sporting event.

The thing is nobody gives a damn about the people running from ISIS and bombs, or about their neighbors who have laterally millions refugees. Europe is complaining, but we do not hear too much about Greece, Turkey and Lebanon who bear the brunt of this disaster, and have been dealing with it for many years, to some extent from the 2nd gulf war.

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donnashuggy — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:05:04 GMT

Either Greeks are more compassionate than the rest of Europe or we don't hear about their complaints. Very glad it is my son going there and not one of my daughters. He is planning on Going to Kenya Uganda and Rwanda to do some volunteer work too, not sure which will be worse. Terrifying.

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donnashuggy — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:06:10 GMT

Why are police escorting ambulances etc? Surely that is not made up.

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Anonymous — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:16:12 GMT

"55 declared no go zones in sweden;

police have to escort ambulances to

ensure their safety"

"too many migrants of the wrong kind"

no wonder EU are closing borders.

The European Union sealed a controversial deal with Turkey on Friday intended to halt illegal migration flows to Europe in return for financial and political rewards for Ankara.

The accord aims to close the main route by which a million migrants and refugees poured across the Aegean Sea to Greece in the last year before marching north to Germany and Sweden.

But deep doubts remain about whether it is legal or workable, a point acknowledged even by German Chancellor Angela Merkel who has been the key driving force behind the agreement.

"I have no illusions that what we agreed today will be accompanied by further setbacks. There are big legal challenges that we must now overcome," Merkel said after the 28 EU leaders concluded the deal with Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.

"But I think we've reached an agreement that has an irreversible momentum," Merkel said, adding it showed that the EU was still capable of taking difficult decisions and managing complex crises.

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lind9650 — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:22:14 GMT

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/liz-hayes-relives-terrifying-moment-60-minutes-crew-were-attacked/news-story/4f4ff8c32eb7566341fa6741ea25558f

Not only 60 Mintes.

Scroll down and watch the video.

Surely there are families with children and old people, but what I am wondering about is why there always are a majority of young, helthy men? Should they not be back homr, fighting for their land?

They come to peaceful countries and then abuse the hospitality that is extended to them. Selfish, greedy and demanding creatures that make it hard for genuine refugees.

Erica

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donnashuggy — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:28:06 GMT

Yes they should be fighting for their land and families.

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Anonymous — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:40:31 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Either Greeks are more compassionate than the rest of Europe or we don't hear about their complaints. Very glad it is my son going there and not one of my daughters. He is planning on Going to Kenya Uganda and Rwanda to do some volunteer work too, not sure which will be worse. Terrifying.

it could be a case of the greeks

being used to it.

People swim. They lounge on the beach. They shower with their tops off. They paddle about in the sea. They watch other people doing the same thing. Jörg Brüggemann’s series of photographs from the Greek island of Kos is titled Tourists V Refugees, but in most of the images it’s difficult to tell the difference.

The paddlers could be holidaymakers – or they might be Syrians coming from Turkey. The ferry might hold tourists or, as is actually the case, hundreds of refugees waiting for their paperwork to be processed so they can proceed to mainland Greece. A submerged dinghy might belong to kids on their summer break.

But what if it was steered all the way from Bodrum by Iraqis? Similarly, the lifejackets that appear, discarded, in many of the pictures – it’s likely they each saved a refugee’s life as he or she made the night-time journey from the Turkish coast. But it’s just as plausible that they simply fell off a jetski.

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donnashuggy — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:45:37 GMT

Amazing

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***super_nova*** — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:47:48 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Yes they should be fighting for their land and families.

Who exactly should they fight with? Most of them do not want Assad to stay in the power, and in any case, the Assad's army fights mainly by dropping bombs, as do the Russians, and Americans. Then there are various groups fighting Assad and ISIS, and each other, and then we have the Kurds who are fighting ISIS and also Turkey. And Turkey fights the Kurds and takes a pot shot at anybody who gets too close - like Russian fighter plane.

Who’s fighting whom in Syria? Explained in 90 seconds

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34462867

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donnashuggy — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:58:46 GMT

I accept it is a complex issue but running away is not always the answer.

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Anonymous — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:59:52 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Amazing

yes, i think so too.

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***super_nova*** — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 04:12:02 GMT

This situation in Europe did not only happen just now:

Refugees of the Syrian Civil War

Total population: 6,000,000+ refugees and expatriates estimated (January 2016) 4,815,360 refugees (registered)

Turkey	2,715,789 (registered, 3 March 2016)
Lebanon	1,500,000 (estimated arrivals Dec 2015) 1,067,785 (registered)
Jordan	1,400,000 (estimated arrivals Aug 2015) 639,204 (registered)

It has been developing over many years, and Europe just ignored it. Just as they ignored the Muslim refugees during the Yugoslavian conflict in 1990s. People traveled across Europe, many heading to Sweden. I was there and talked to number of them with shocking stories; it was only later that we learned the full horror of Srebrenica, Sarajevo and Kosovo. These atrocities were happening while we (the west) just pretty much watched on.

If countries around the world started to accept refugees from the Syria/Iraq area few years ago, if they were properly processed and given chance it would end up lot better than it is going to. What in the hell do people expect? Some of these kids that are running riot in Europe have been displaced few years ago. Lets say 12 - 16years old kids who escaped from ISIS occupied area, which is being bombed by everybody, would be pretty traumatised, then spent few years in awful conditions in the camps, without education or anything to do, then arrive in the rich world of Europe now 18+years old, and are unemployable, probably suffer from PTD and are angry. They will be a problem. So what do you do? Send him back to Turkey? Would you be surprised if he was soon on his way to fight with ISIS?

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***super_nova*** — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 04:18:00 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Why are police escorting ambulances etc? Surely that is not made up.

Actually, that sounds like Australia, attacks on paramedics and mediacal staff in hospitals are all too common:

htthttp://www.smh.com.au/nsw/ambulance-officers-under-attack-20150205-13774k.html

I also know that many hospitals around the world do have security guards protecting staff from assault by patients and their relatives.

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***super_nova*** — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 04:28:35 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Why are police escorting ambulances etc? Surely that is not made up.

Attacks on paramedics and medical staff in hospital, and also firemen when they are attending fires, is something that is happening in Australia and other parts of the world.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/ambulance-officers-under-attack-20150205-13774k.html

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k0llectable5 — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 04:32:38 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
This situation in Europe did not only happen just now:
Refugees of the Syrian Civil War
Total population: 6,000,000+ refugees and expatriates estimated (January 2016) 4,815,360 refugees (registered)
Turkey 2,715,789 (registered, 3 March 2016)
Lebanon 1,500,000 (estimated arrivals Dec 2015) 1,067,785 (registered)
Jordan 1,400,000 (estimated arrivals Aug 2015) 639,204 (registered)

It has been developing over many years, and Europe just ignored it. Just as they ignored the Muslim refugees during the Yugoslavian conflict in 1990s. People traveled across Europe, many heading to Sweden. I was there and talked to number of them with shocking stories; it was only later that we learned the full horror of Srebrenica, Sarajevo and Kosovo. These atrocities were happening while we (the west) just pretty much watched on.

If countries around the world started to accept refugees from the Syria/Iraq area few years ago, if they were properly processed and given chance it would end up lot better than it is going to. What in the hell do people expect? Some of these kids that are running riot in Europe have been displaced few years ago. Lets say 12 - 16years old kids who escaped from ISIS occupied area, which is being bombed by everybody, would be pretty traumatised, then spent few years in awful conditions in the camps, without education or anything to do, then arrive in the rich world of Europe now 18+years old, and are unemployable, probably suffer from PTD and are angry. They will be a problem. So what do you do? Send him back to Turkey? Would you be surprised if he was soon on his way to fight with ISIS?

I do understand what you are saying, but are we meant to feel sorry for those that wish to do harm to the western way of life because they may have post traumatic stress disorder? I agree that we dont really know whether or not those guys in the 60 minutes clip were provoked or not, but still, to run over the camera mans leg/foot, become physically agressive and or verbally abusive (with no repercussion) when the crew may have provoked, but really? They are provocative by default simply because they are asking questions and carrying cameras etc. It's a bit like saying "a woman provoked being raped because she was dressed in a skimpy outfit flirting with guys at a nightclub...) No excuse I'm sorry, it's clearly just downright anti-social hostile behaviour, that needs to be checked and the appropriate punishment applied.

55 no go zones, thats just unbelievable... Anyone fact checked that number?

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donnashuggy — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 04:35:42 GMT

Some articles date back to 2014 re: the no go zones

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donnashuggy — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 04:38:12 GMT

seems to be areas where it is almost 100% foreign.