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Anyone else excited by

springyzone — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 00:40:32 GMT

The release of the 1921 census for England and Wales?

I am, I've been waiting for this. Unfortunately it is only on Find my past and is currently a pay per view deal. Apparently it will be that way for the next 3 years so I am going to have to pay out a bit of money to see all the ones i want to see.😶

I was a bit disappointed to read this though.

The publication of these documents marks the last significant census release for England and Wales in many of our lifetimes as the 1931 Census was destroyed in a fire and the 1941 Census was never captured due to the Second World War. The next census will not be available until 2052.

😶

The 1921 Census reveals the rapid social and cultural change the country was undergoing, with the changing role of women and the impact of World War 1 proving particularly apparent.

Owing to the vast number of men who fell in the war, the Census reveals there were 1,096 women for every 1,000 men recorded, with this discrepancy being the biggest for those aged between 20 and 45. This means there were over 1.7 million more women than men in England and Wales, the largest difference ever seen in a census.

Over 16,000 people recorded their marital status as the newly-added 'divorced' but this figure is likely to be much higher due to the stigma surrounding divorce at the time.

There was a 35% increase in the number of people recorded in hospitals from the 1911 Census, three-quarters of whom were men. Presumably many were still suffering from wounds received in the war.

Thanks to the additional information recorded on the status of parents and children, the Census also reveals the devastating impact the war had on families with over 730,000 fatherless children being recorded versus 261,000 without a mother.

Just as we are coping with Covid-19 today, the 1921 Census also reveals how the Spanish flu affected the psyche of the population, with one record being stained with disinfectant.

If you are at all into family history though, you can still look up people on the census, for free. It will tell you their location and some of the people living in the house with them. You only need pay if you want the whole transcript or record.

Hope this helps any others out there who are interested.

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janeababe — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 08:01:38 GMT

I am big into ancestry and mine are all England, Ireland and Scotland, so this will interest me greatly.

I did not know this census was being released, so I’ll have to have a look.

Thank you for posting 😊

xxj💋

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countessalmirena — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:19:51 GMT

I don’t have any knowledge of the English line, although it’s there, according to my DNA. My results had some surprises.

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springyzone — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 20:52:49 GMT

Countess, if you join a site such as Ancestry and have your DNA done as well, you can look up matches to others who have had their DNA done with them. It will tell you the centimorgan level match and likely relationship.

But the most useful thing you can then do is click on 'shared matches'. That way you can sometimes trace which lines they have to be from. You can contact the people for extra information and sometimes see their trees.

I think of it as being like a detective.😁

Some time ago I had a man contact me to say we were 3rd cousins but he couldn't see a single name he knew on my trees. I just went click-shared matches- and replied to him that we had half a dozen people in common, some of whom I had previously met, and they were all definitely on the Felton line and so he had to match there, did he have any connection to Bendigo.

The answer was yes, his great grandmother was from there and had an illegitimate child there in 1905 when she was only about 17. It is still a work in progress but we have 2 brothers from the Felton line that we have narrowed it down to, pretty much.

May I ask what % of English you have? Anything under 5% I take with a grain of salt. Your actual DNA matches to other people is 100% correct but their estimates of ethnicity are best guesses and change slightly every couple of years, I have found.

I used to be 3% Norwegian according to them (much to the envy of my sister who had none) but it disappeared last update and my sister suddenly got 4% Swedish I think it was.

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springyzone — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 20:55:58 GMT

@janeababe wrote:
I am big into ancestry and mine are all England, Ireland and Scotland, so this will interest me greatly.

I did not know this census was being released, so I’ll have to have a look.

Thank you for posting 😊

xxj💋

Mine too, pretty much, but I also have a fair dose of Channel Islands from 2 different lines and that comes up as Northwestern European DNA I think.

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springyzone — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 21:03:25 GMT

Good luck with your research. The actual details on the 1921 census (exact address/occupation etc) you won't get unless you pay for a copy but you can see bare details.

I paid for one copy, which cost me about $5 or $6 I think. I haven't seen the conversion figures yet.

Apparently it is better at this stage to pay the extra for a photo of the census form rather than pay less for the transcript because people are finding the transcripts are full of errors. The census won't be released for 3 years to the general public so the only way to see it in detail is by pay per view.

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countessalmirena — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 02:02:08 GMT

The England & Northwestern Europe percentage is bang on 5%.

The rest is Germanic Europe, Sweden & Denmark, Baltics, Norway, Eastern Europe & Russia, Spain, France, and even a smattering of European Jewish, apparently. In that order. I am free to consider myself a "citizen of the world", as I've done ever since I first read that bit in Plutarch's ΠΕΡΙ ΦΥΓΗΣ (Of Exile) where Socrates is quoted about being a citzen of the world.

... Right; I'm going to be self-indulgent and quote exactly that section, as it went towards forming my world view of what it means to be part of mankind / humanity.

But Socrates expressed it better, when he said, he was not an Athenian or a Greek, but a citizen of the world (just as a man calls himself a citizen of Rhodes or Corinth), because he did not enclose himself within the limits of Sunium, Taenarum, or the Ceraunian mountains.

The height of the heavens are the infinite ether,
And the earth around is bedewed in her embraces.

These are the boundaries of our country, and no man is an exile or a stranger or foreigner in these, where there is the same fire, water, air, the same [these are the] rulers, administrators, and presidents, the same sun, moon, and daystar; where there are the same laws to all, and where, under one orderly disposition and government, are the summer and winter solstices, the equinoxes, Pleiades, Arcturus, times of sowing and planting; where there is one king and supreme ruler, which is God, who comprehends the beginning, the middle, and end of the universe; who passes through all things in a straight course, compassing all things according to nature: justice follows him to take vengeance on those that transgress the divine law, which justice we naturally all make use of towards all men, as being citizens of the same community.

ὁ δὲ Σωκράτης βέλτιον, οὐκ Ἀθηναῖος οὐδ᾽ Ἕλλην ἀλλὰ κόσμιος εἶναι φήσας, ὡς ἄν τις Ῥόδιος εἶπεν

ἢ Κορίνθιος: ὅτι μηδὲ Σουνίῳ, μηδὲ Ταινάρῳ μηδὲ τοῖς Κεραυνίοις ἐνέκλεισεν ἑαυτόν.

ὁρᾷς τὸν ὑψοῦ τόνδ᾽ ἄπειρον αἰθέρα,
καὶ γῆν πέριξ ἔχονθ᾽ ὑγραῖς ἐν ἀγκάλαις;

οὗτοι τῆς πατρίδος ἡμῶν ὅροι εἰσί, καὶ οὐδεὶς οὔτε φυγὰς ἐν τούτοις οὔτε ξένος οὔτ᾽ ἀλλοδαπός, ὅπου ταὐτὸ πῦρ ὕδωρ ἀήρ, ἄρχοντες οἱ αὐτοὶ καὶ διοικηταὶ καὶ πρυτάνεις, ἥλιος σελήνη φωσφόρος: οἱ αὐτοὶ νόμοι πᾶσι, ὑφ᾽ ἑνὸς προστάγματος καὶ μιᾶς ἡγεμονίας τροπαὶ βόρειοι τροπαὶ νότιοι ἰσημερίαι

Πλειὰς Ἀρκτοῦρος, ὧραι σπόρων ὧραι φυτειῶν: εἷς δὲ βασιλεὺς; καὶ ἄρχων ‘θεὸς ἀρχήν τε καὶ μέσα καὶ τελευτὴν ἔχων τοῦ παντός, εὐθείᾳ περαίνει 1 κατὰ φύσιν περιπορευόμενος: τῷ δ᾽ ἕπεται Δίκη τῶν ἀπολειπομένων τοῦ θείου νόμου τιμωρός,’ χρώμεθα πάντες ἄνθρωποι φύσει πρὸς πάντας ἀνθρώπους ὥσπερ πολίτας.

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papermoon.lady — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 02:14:19 GMT

I have always considered myself a citizen of the world too, or "involved in mankind":

For Whom the Bell Tolls by John Donne - Your Daily Poem

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countessalmirena — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 02:26:02 GMT

That is among my favourite works. Donne is superb.

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janeababe — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 03:59:29 GMT

I completed my ancestory dna kit back in October, but it apparently hasn’t been tested yet. I must get onto that.

…probably still stuck in Sydney unable to be sent to Ireland!!

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domino-710 — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 04:26:36 GMT

LOL - not really interested in Ancestry - just happy there are no Royals back there.

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countessalmirena — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 04:28:14 GMT

That’s what you say, Queen Domino..,

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domino-710 — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 05:30:10 GMT

@countessalmirena wrote:
That’s what you say, Queen Domino..,

Actually it's Lady Dom.

Come to think of it - it's also Lady Stawks. lol

We both have ' Scots Titles '.

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countessalmirena — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 06:13:38 GMT

Lady Dom? Ooooookay.

(Am I the only person who thinks that sounds just slightly like the professional name of a dominatrix?)

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domino-710 — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 06:50:42 GMT

@countessalmirena wrote:
Lady Dom? Ooooookay.

You're alone on that one. lol

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countessalmirena — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:13:22 GMT

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springyzone — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:17:15 GMT

@domino-710 wrote:
LOL - not really interested in Ancestry - just happy there are no Royals back there.

I found out on one line I am a 15th cousin or some such to Diana Spencer. I am not sure it will get me an invite to Buck palace though.😁

Much, much closer is a convict ancestor who was transported for his thieving ways in about 1845. I knew one of his daughters, she was my great grandmother. A convict is sort of Australian royalty.😁

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flashie* — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 07:53:21 GMT

I am waiting for Scotlands People to release the 1921 census later this year.

I have not been able to find my grandfather on the 1901 nor the 1911 census.

He has a rather common Scottish name and I dont know which middle name he used..........(he had 3)

I dont know who brought him up...........(his parents passed)

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springyzone — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 20:55:50 GMT

@flashie* wrote:
I am waiting for Scotlands People to release the 1921 census later this year.

I have not been able to find my grandfather on the 1901 nor the 1911 census.

He has a rather common Scottish name and I dont know which middle name he used..........(he had 3)

I dont know who brought him up...........(his parents passed)

That is so frustrating for you. I could not find my grandfather on the 1911 census at first. He wasn't with his mother, step father and family. Eventually located in a Home for waifs and fatherless boys.🤤

He was under his middle name (John). He was christened Leonard John but forever afterwards apparently known as John L.

It can be so hard if the names are a bit different or have been transcribed incorrectly.

Good luck with your search!

The problem is, if we can't find people on this 1921 census, there won't be another released till 2052. I hadn't realised that.