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Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

samagr_4 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:29:08 GMT

Ebay started a spring promotion today with 20% savings. One hobby store increased all its prices by 10% and more yesterday and is now offering 20% off! What a joke what a rip off, they should be banned.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

kopenhagen5 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:43:35 GMT

Your choice not to buy from that seller.

So let me get this straight they increased by 10% and offering 20% markdown so that's still 10% off and with eBay's promo that's 30% off in total. Still a substantial discount.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

samagr_4 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:52:49 GMT

They raised their prices by 10% yesterday and eBay offers a 20% discount to the buyer today, so in effect, it's only a 10% discount from yesterday. I've spoken to a few people and I believe it's against eBay policy for sellers joining into these sales promotions to raise their prices and then offer a discount when they know the promotion is going to happen.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

samagr_4 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 04:04:19 GMT

Screen shot from yesterday of the items I was looking at and screen shot from today

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

samagr_4 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 04:04:50 GMT

Today

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

gutterpunkz05 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 04:09:32 GMT

Maybe the seller was allready discounting their prices by 10%, so prices may have returned to normal for commencement of ebay

20% promo. Sellers change prices all the time and dont have to advise if price is reduced.. just seems that buyers often expect

that prices only move one way.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

gutterpunkz05 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 04:18:34 GMT

Just viewed your screenshots, unless I am missing something the list prices are the same, then you have to apply the code for

a 20% discount. Please explain what I am not seeing here.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

countessalmirena — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 04:39:54 GMT

The prices in the two screenshots you've attached are the same, as gutterpunkz says.

If you are trying to prove that the seller raised their prices by 10% before you took a screenshot, then you need a screenshot showing that. By posting screenshots that don't show anything of the sort, you fail to prove your case.

In any event, just to clarify - it's eBay who gives the 20% discount to the buyer, not the seller. Perhaps the seller knew in advance about the 20% discount to be offered by eBay; perhaps they didn't.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

samagr_4 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 04:42:16 GMT

I've contacted another merchant, who are not participating in the sale, that the eBay retailer must not change their prices for a week prior to a promotion to make to give the customers the greatest benefit from the sale.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

samagr_4 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 04:46:03 GMT

Sorry an error on my part, I have screenshots from Monday and today showing the increase in price and the promotion starting, I tried to upload both at once but made an error.

The sellers in these case are participating retailers and know in advance when the promotion is going to happen.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

countessalmirena — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 04:49:53 GMT

You are confusing two different things.

This is not a promotion by the seller. Under Promotions Manager, a seller can set up special offers, and it is true that if a seller "changed the price of an item as part of a sale", s/he will "need to wait 7 days before including it as part of a new sale."

However, as I've said, this is NOT a promotion by the seller.

It's a 20% discount offered by eBay, on listings by quite a large number of "selected sellers". You can see which sellers eBay have selected here: https://pages2.ebay.com.au/Buyer_coupons/pollen

Two different things entirely.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

gutterpunkz05 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 04:56:55 GMT

you have uploaded a screenshot from Monday and then another from this morning. The prices in both are the same.,

starting to wonder if you were a potential buyer from this seller, or if you are a competitor. Why did you take a screenshot of

Mondays prices fore a list of goods, rather than a screenshot of a single item you were intending to purchase. Were you aware

that a promotion was about to start.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

gutterpunkz05 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 05:01:53 GMT

Really starting to smell a rat here. I see you opened this ebay account yesterday, and within 24 hrs you are denigrating a seller

and recommending they be banned. Go back to school

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

samagr_4 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 05:04:44 GMT

I'll have to wait until I get home to get the screenshot to upload, I don't see why it's relevant on which page I took the screenshot, what is relevant is that they are breaking eBay's rules and taking advantage of customers.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

gutterpunkz05 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 05:12:01 GMT

Damn accidently gave you a Kudo,(Missed the reply button)

As The Countess has stated. the seller has not broken any ebay rules, even if they have increased the price.

You and your """"other merchant''''''' have made a boo boo.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

kopenhagen5 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 05:21:27 GMT

Lets not get confused here as The Countess has pointed out.

There are rules for a store to markdown their own store items.

That is totally different to eBay's promo's in which the seller gets the full amount and eBay puts in the difference when the code is applied.

gutter - you can revoke kudo by clicking on it again.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

samagr_4 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 05:42:43 GMT

Nothing about a rat, how about a whistle blower, Kogan did exactly the same thing with its eBay store and was fined 30,000 by the ACCC

News Corp Australia NetworkJANUARY 18, 201611:52AM

AUSTRALIAN online electronics store Kogan has been fined more than $30,000 for artificially inflating discounts in its Fathers’ Day sale last year, raising the price of items by more than 10 per cent before discounting them.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission detailed the company’s alleged deception today, revealing Kogan.com paid infringement notices related to computer monitors it sold from its eBay store in August last year.

“It is simply unacceptable for businesses to raise prices before applying a discount in order to give consumers the misleading impression that they are obtaining a larger percentage discount than is actually the case,” ACCC acting chair Dr Michael Schaper said.

“Truth in advertising and consumer issues in the online market place are both current enforcement priorities.”

And now we have "Australia's largest hobby store" ebay seller hobbywh doing the same. You should agree with the ACCC and be outraged

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

gutterpunkz05 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 06:01:35 GMT

You dont seem to understand the difference between an ebay promo and an indivual ebayers sale/discount, two entirely

different things. Just the same as your Kogan example is completely different to an ebay promo, there is a big difference between

a legitimate whistle blower and a rat. I still smell a Rat

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

countessalmirena — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 06:04:21 GMT

samagr_4, it's clear that you haven't taken in what's been said.

In the example you have given, Kogan both raised its prices and gave the discount (thus giving a misleading impression about the discount). That is against consumer legislation.

In this case, with the Lego seller, they did not give a discount. It is eBay offering a discount, and that has nothing to do with the prices of the seller. The seller can raise prices, lower prices, keep them the same - anything. They are not offering a discount. Quoting ACCC and asking for outrage is not appropriate in this instance.

Re: Policy on rip off sales why does eBay allow this

samagr_4 — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 06:38:45 GMT

Appolgies, not great on law but I do know that eBay does not allow merchants to raise prices a week before a sale, the hobby warehouse left it prices low all week and raised them yesterday, a day before the sale, not 7 days

See screen shot taken at 7:30 AM Monday, on the few you can see they've raised their prices around 10%