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Argyle Pink Diamond eBay Vendors from Thailand
Summary: En el foro de discusión sobre "Vendedores de diamantes rosa Argyle en eBay desde Tailandia", varias personas contribuyeron sin proporcionar contenido específico en sus comentarios. sterling001 parece ser bastante activo, respondiendo a múltiples autores, incluidos sandypebbles, countessalmirena, domino-710, y otros. No se detallan las interacciones específicas o conclusiones, ya que todos los mensajes están etiquetados como "None", lo que implica que el contenido no fue proporcionado o discutido de manera textual. Sin embargo, el tema parece centrarse en la procedencia y la validez de los diamantes rosa Argyle ofrecidos en el mercado de eBay desde Tailandia.
There are several businesses located in Thailand operating on eBay that have multiple stores but are one and the same company.
Quite often these vendors will offer to supply certificates (at a cost) from a variety of diamond certifiers such as GIA, IGA, GIL , etc. The one I was corresponding with informed me that a GIA certificate could be supplied at a price in the hundreds of dollars but GIL Thailand at a fraction of the cost.
Here's a real life quick summary:
eBay vendor from Thailand is offering a 0.20 carat, "VS" (VS1 or VS2?) ARGYLE pink natural diamond HTHP (high temperature high pressure - check the Internet to understand the process) "mined from the earth." You may pay extra for a certificate if you wish.
If they're offering a diamond specifically described as above surely they HAVE THE PROOF that it is exactly as described? Surely that proof is a genuine certificate already in their possession? Otherwise, how could they so accurately describe it? Why should you need to purchase a certificate? They should be supplying a certificate to confirm that they've honestly and accurately described the item they're selling to you.
Bottom line: Buyer beware. If a vendor doesn't thoroughly answer all your questions, be suspicious. If a vendor inadequately answers your questions, be very suspicious. If a vendor doesn't respond in a timely manner, beware of them. And if a vendor doesn't pass what I call the "logical sniff test," I'd recommend that you avoid them like the plague.
underbat
·2 years agoThanks everyone, since this thread has gone completely off topic and there are numerous hostile and off topic responses, this thread is closed.
underbat
·2 years agoHello, everyone.
This thread is getting a little off-topic, and hostile.
Could we please bring the discussion back to the topic, and remember to treat each other with respect, even if you disagree with their opinion.
Remember to post to the guidelines.
Thanks!
sterling001
OP2 years agoSounds like a plan to me! 🙂
gutterpunkz05
·2 years agoFrom memory you could buy these in packs, and were supplied with a COA per lot, not per individual stone. Lovely little blighters and last time I checked they were appreciating very nicely.
I suppose the larger more valuable individual stones, would come with an individual COA
domino-710
·2 years agoRed Flags here - Pink Diamonds from Thailand.
sterling001
OP2 years agoNo, it's not a "red flag" at all. Thailand is an international hub for colored gemstones, which obviously include the famous Argyle pink diamonds sourced from the mine in the East Kimberley, far north Western Australia. You can go to "Google" and read the many articles explaining how and why Thailand has ascended to become a major cog in the international gemstones market.
Perhaps the real red flag is the fact that dodgy dealers are somehow allowed to proliferate on eBay?
There are doubtless many reputable Thai diamond dealers. My post was about helping people identify the dodgy dealers who seem to have found a home selling on eBay.
So, I'm sorry, but I'm unable to mark your post as "helpful." I'll leave that to the members of the club here who are obviously cross marking each other's posts.
davewil1964
·2 years agoYou seem to be under the impression that members actually look at the boards, except when they have an issue. So your warning is preaching to the converted. The people you are trying to warn only see the bargain. And don't, generally visit the boards.
The people who respond here have a vast amount of knowledge on how eBay works.
sterling001
OP2 years agoOh really? Can you give me the precise figures insofar all members of eBay whom visit the boards, the breakdown of the circumstances in which a post will be viewed. For example, what is the exact percentage of people who will go to the boards because they have a problem, BUT then happen to see and read another post on an unrelated matter? (I've done that many times.) There are so many nuances in which I'd like to question an eBay sage, like yourself. Precise figures only, please. No anecdotal nonsense, thank you.
I've been on eBay since 2006. I know what's going on here, pal. So far I'm unimpressed by these so-called "knowledgeable" people who are dishing out advice such as check the feedback. DUH? Er... doesn't that go without saying? I even had one who checked my profile and stated that she wouldn't support a vendor with a rating just below 100%. Well, bully for her. I happen to have a different view regarding the methods to be used before making a purchase. And these methods have served me well.
Looking forward to seeing the breakdown of those figures. 😀
repentatleisure1952
·2 years agoIt's very easy to see how many members have viewed this topic.
I'm not very bright & have no trouble doing so.
Should be a walk in the park for some one as clever & modest as you.
sterling001
OP2 years agorepentatleisure1952 wrote:
It's very easy to see how many members have viewed this topic.
I'm not very bright & have no trouble doing so.
Should be a walk in the park for some one as clever & modest as you.
Yes, at any given time it's easy to see how many members viewed this thread. However, if you carefully read my post you'll, perhaps, be able to see that I wasn't asking for the figures on this topic. Rather, I was asking for the figures relating to the anecdotal "evidence" presented by the other poster where he was taking in general terms about the boards. But I do realize (as I did from the beginning) that it's NOT just people who've experienced a problem buying Argyle pink diamonds that are viewing this thread. Blind Freddy can see that. So, why was someone trying to suggest that I was "preaching to the converted," and that only after the fact do people view these boards? That they don't serve to alert people to avoid possible problems?
repentatleisure1952
·2 years agoWhy?
Because davewill is correct.
Look at any topic & you will see how few lurkers there are.
Compared to the total membership pool it's a tiny %.
domino-710
·2 years agoYou've actually made my point.
If I were to purchase pink diamonds from Thailand - I'd jump a plane - and choose.
The whole point was - COA pay extra - pay upfront for what - the red flag - * pink diamonds from Thailand * on eBay.
Good grief.
sterling001
OP2 years agoYes, good grief - agreed. Jumping a plane is no guarantee you won't get ripped off in Thailand? There's a famous Thai diamond scam that targets people who do what you're suggesting. (Go Google Thai diamond scam.) I don't know what point you think you're making? But my point is to alert unwary eBay users to the pitfalls of buying what seems like a bargain. What, precisely, is your problem with that? All Thai gem dealers on eBay aren't assumed to be scammers. But there are unscrupulous dealers in many categories on eBay. My post is dealing specifically with people whom are interested in Argyle pink diamonds, making them aware of what to ask vendors and what to look for, including fake certificates. Problem with that?
domino-710
·2 years agoActually no problem at all.
I'm not in the market for a pink diamond - well - any diamonds - I have enough. lol
sterling001
OP2 years agoAll I can say is, "Half your luck!" 🙂
sandypebbles
·2 years agoThere is no club and we do not 'cross mark each other's posts, we are not children cheering each other on
I am sorry if you do not like factual replies
That is what most members here give, we leave the 'telling people what they want to hear' to eBay
The regulars here also know full well to do all the things you instruct people to do
And to put it simply, again
Many buyers simply do not care
Read any of the posts along the lines of 'why did eBay let me buy' 'why does ebay allow the seller I supported to sell' etc etc
sterling001
OP2 years agoWho said I don't like factual replies? You. Do you like factual replies? You're not telling me anything I don't know. And you're admitting the "regulars" all know all the information you're relaying. So, what's your main problem? I'm not disagreeing with what you've said in the sermon to the converted, as it were?
Let me make this crystal clear for you. My posts here are obviously not aimed at the "regulars" or the "savvy" eBay users; rather, at the newcomers and the gullible. It's an attempt to help them not lose money. Am I saying I'll be ultra-successful? No. Am I saying it's worth a try, because it just may save a few people losing money? Am I saying that, despite the overwhelming evidence that many eBayers just don't care, I've given up on them as hopeless cases? Certainly not!
Yes. Do I think the "regulars" cross-mark each others posts as a matter of course? Yes. I do. And that's my opinion, and it's based on experience and...er... you're not going to change it. Btw, with the greatest respect, you don't know for a fact if the posts are being cross-marked by the "regulars," or not. And it appears you've assumed I think it's a "conspiracy." Lol It's not. It's quite normal for that to happen on message boards. If it wasn't happening I'd be astonished, because it's normal human behavior. Have a great day! 🙂
countessalmirena
·2 years agoOP, you may want to factor in another consideration. Buyers who have a high number of claims under the MBG may find themselves deemed too risky a buyer at some point. If that threshold is reached, eBay will exclude that buyer from being covered by the MBG in further purchases.
You’re right to be wary if a seller isn’t giving you the important information, and that there’s an emotional aspect to the process of snapping up an amazing bargain. That’s one of the reasons why such obvious scams succeed - unrealistic expectations when all the signs are saying “IITGTBT…”
But a bit of feedback scrutiny should help people to avoid a good majority of the worst offenders.
sterling001
OP2 years ago"OP, you may want to factor in another consideration. Buyers who have a high number of claims under the MBG may find themselves deemed too risky a buyer at some point. If that threshold is reached, eBay will exclude that buyer from being covered by the MBG in further purchases."
Oh really? This reminds me of the posts I've read on MarketWatch where someone is complaining that Menulog has delivered their food 1.5 hours late, it's stone cold/ruined, but then they're informed that they've made too many complaints so their claim for a refund is denied. Is it their fault that Menulog is constantly and repeatedly stuffing up their food deliveries?
eBay should be assessing each claim independently. If a buyer is genuinely (and the operative word here is genuinely ) experiencing problems with faulty products, products arriving in a damaged state, products not arriving, products not accurately described, etc., there shouldn't be any restrictions. What makes them a "risky buyer" in the above scenario? It'd be more a case of a genuine buyer buying on a risky platform.
springyzone
·2 years agoIt'd be more a case of a genuine buyer buying on a risky platform.
Sterling001, that is exactly what ebay can be, I am afraid.
Because it is made up of thousands of individual sellers, you're always going to have a mix of bad ones and scammers, along with the majority who are fine.
Personally, I would steer clear of any expensive purchase coming from overseas unless I was very sure of the seller. For something like diamonds, I don't have a lot of knowledge but I thought their sale was restricted so as to keep the values up so I wouldn't expect to see bargain basement prices for the real thing. I also wouldn't know a fake from the real thing, so if I wanted a diamond, I'd go to a reputable store in Australia.
But it isn't only diamonds where you need to be careful, the boards are full of people buying things where they find out down the track that the guarantee isn't worth the paper it is written on (if it is even written on paper).
So it pays to be wary before any purchase. Ebay has a money back guarantee but I am not 100% confident you could get your money back just for saying something was not genuine in your opinion. Faulty, yes, or failed to arrive, I think you'd win those.
I take your point about buyers genuinely experiencing problems then facing restrictions. In my opinion, what should happen first is if a company such as ebay or paypal is uneasy about the number of claims a person has made, it should immediately put a human on to investigate the next case. Look at photos etc, to make a call. I don't think that always happens on ebay, some buyers can make a 'faulty' claim and win automatically by default.
But regardless of right or wrong, it is the way of the world that if you make too many claims with any company, they flag you as a high risk customer and try to cut you off.
sterling001
OP2 years ago"It'd be more a case of a genuine buyer buying on a risky platform." Yes, I know. That's why I made that statement. 🙂
Great post! Thanks. I agree with everything you've said.
Argyle pink diamonds are very complicated to the novice. There's an unique Argyle grading scale from 1-10, colors pp, p and pr. The prices range from under $100.00 to millions of dollars depending on the carats, cut, color and clarity. An Argyle pink diamond that's over 0.20 carats (1/5 of a carat) is considered large. The unscrupulous overseas dealers are preying on people who want a pink diamond but really can't afford one. They're charging $100- to 100s of dollars, generally, not thousands. Quite often, the problem is with misrepresenting the depth of color which makes a massive difference when buying a pink diamond. Usually, the size and weight and clarity is accurate. But people can end up forking over hundreds for a tiny highly included diamond with an almost indiscernible pink hue. Or, in other words, a "9" on the Argyle scale (nearly white) which looks like a "5" due to the way it's photographed or videotaped. Again, all I'm saying is "Buyer beware," ask the right questions and if it doesn't add up resist the temptation to make a purchase.
sandypebbles
·2 years agoI would avoid any dodgy seller
I would check feedback before I bought
I would use the tools eBay give to all buyers if what they purchase from any seller does not match the description for what they bought
Sadly, many buyers are happy to buy from dodgy sellers or just simply do not care enough about who they are buying from to look
It is all basic common sense yet the majority of the forum is filled with posts about 'I bought from a dodgy seller and now I have an issue'
I doubt buyers who can't be bothered checking basics is going to be bothered coming to the forum before buying either
I mean the last seller you yourself bought from who has left you feedback has awful feedback
98.9% for a high volume seller, 33 negs with the past month alone, no way I would be supporting a seller like that
A few others would also have me hitting the back button stat
sterling001
OP2 years agoThank you for your reply, Sandy. 🙂
What you're saying is all very true, but my post is dealing with what is considered a more emotional purchase than most, i.e. diamonds. Certain people are more likely to act on impulse if they think they're getting an absolute bargain. These are the people I'm trying to reach. It's aimed particularly at overseas diamond dealers whom are purportedly selling Argyle pink diamonds at what seem like bargain basement prices.
Obviously I take feedback into consideration when making purchases. I take particular note of the nature of the complaints. I'm confident that if the $12.00 product doesn't arrive or doesn't work or is damaged in transit eBay will refund me with the speed of summer lighting.