How do I escalate a case to a supervisor? Also, never buy from sellers with next to no feedback.
Summary: The discussion revolves around the best practices for escalating a case to a supervisor, with additional advice warning against purchasing from sellers with little to no feedback. ala.alkw.kd8meibwf initiates the conversation, expressing a concern that isn't detailed, but prompting responses from others like gutterpunkz05, springyzone, and sandypebbles. The participants seem to exchange insights or experiences related to these topics, although the exact details of their advice or experiences are lacking in the data provided. Despite the missing content details, the participants appear engaged in sharing information that aids in navigating supervisory escalation processes and buyer safety considerations.
This will be somewhat of a long post but I have a TLDR for those who want to scroll to the bottom. To those who have the patience to read through the the entire post, thank you.
I recently made a purchase for a collectors edition costing over $500. The seller had this listed as brand new with a thorough product description stating that the condition of the item was "box in excellent condition", "never opened and stored since purchase" and "stored carefully". Postage was listed for express + signature so I thought, great I'd be able to receive this within the next couple of days. At this point I was excited and looking forward to adding this to my existing collection.
After roughly 3-4 days I noticed that no tracking was available. I reached out to the seller to confirm if there were any issues with shipping or if it simply wasn't updated on eBay. Later that day a tracking number was uploaded but no package was sent/ received by Australia Post. I gave it 2 more days, still nothing. So I reached out again and asked if the seller could clarify if anything was posted? Again, crickets. At this point I found it highly suspicious that the seller has made zero communication and almost a week without postage despite uploading tracking. I waited a further couple of days until eBay's estimated delivery date was due. At this point the tracking number was no longer valid and the seller now finally responds and claims that something unexpected happened and he is posting it now. I replied almost immediately and said that shipping has been extremely late and I have received no communication. Again, no response. I gave it another day and asked if he could confirm what shipping method was used as item was listed for express + signature. And yet again, no response. I call Australia Post to confirm shipping details and discover that the seller had posted standard without signature.
I didn't want to take any risks as this was starting to feel like a scam and immediately called eBay and filed for a claim for item not delivered. The seller now promptly responds to the claim and apologises for the delay, reassuring that the collectors item is in transit and would be arriving.
I remain patient and wait for the item to see if I had been scammed and was being sent rocks or if the collectors edition item would arrive. The item arrives in the next 5 days and I eagerly bring it in hoping that despite this taking almost a fortnight longer than it should, maybe, just maybe I have received the brand new collectors edition. For my safety and for evidence, I record the unboxing. To my dismay, upon opening the box, I was met with pungent smell of cigarettes. The item inside covered in a brown/orange dust, cigarette soot perhaps? It was absolutely filthy, covered in dead bugs. I carefully remove the item from the box and discover severe damage and tears in the corner of the box, seals already broken. Which supposedly, by the sellers product description was "in excellent condition" and "never opened and stored since purchase". I return the item to the box trying to preserve it in the exact condition that it arrived - filthy. And clean up the mess of orange dust and dead bugs that's left on my floor tiles.
I'm now on the phone with eBay and explain that the item has been delivered but is not as described and the listing is false. I close the case of item not delivered and ask the agent to file for item not as described. The seller has the audacity to respond to the case stating that the item was shipped in perfect condition exactly as outlined in the product description. I ask eBay what are my options if a seller chooses not to supply a return label and they ask me to call again in 5 days - before they can step in.
Another 5 days past and I am on the phone with eBay yet again. I explain the situation and this time I am told that eBay will generate a shipping label for the seller and I am required to send the item back, and WAIT ANOTHER 3 DAYS for the seller to refund me. If they don't I will need to call again. By this point I am furious. I am at my limit for my patience. It has been almost a month of being told to wait/communicate with the seller. I state that the seller has made no communication with me other than making false claims, declined to issue a refund label, and now I am asked, yet again, to wait for shipping and another 3 business days to allow the seller to refund me? I make it clear that I will be returning this item - at the expense of my money and time - but I request that the refund to be processed immediately upon the tracking label showing delivered; without any further dealing with the seller. They say that this is not possible as I will need to wait till the seller refunds me and if they don't then I will be protected by eBay Money Back Guarantee and be refunded by eBay. I ask to speak to a supervisor and they are unwilling. So I thank them for their time and I call again later in the day. Explain the situation again, ask to see if this could be escalated to a supervisor - declined again. And a third time, declined again. But at least in the third call the eBay agent says she can make a note that the refund can be issued once the item is showed as delivered - I am suspicious that this is to simply get me off the line and probably wouldn't actually happen.
So here I am, writing to the eBay community.
How exactly, do I escalate this to a supervisor so that I can speak to someone who doesn't read off a script? I am concerned that this will get dragged on further than it already has and risk losing my money in a situation of he said, she said. Or worse yet lose my rights to protection under eBay Money Back Guarantee if this continues to get dragged on. This experience has been very poor and I am now very hesitant to buy from eBay again if this is what it involves. Are there even any repercussions to a dishonest seller who lies and makes false claims?
TLDR: Purchased an expensive collectors edition item listed as brand new. After much delay, received the item but in a disgusting used condition. Seller makes false claims and denies everything. eBay agents read off a script and are unhelpful. I do not want this to drag on any further or be at risk of losing my money. How do I escalate and speak to a supervisor?
sandypebbles
·10 months agoNever buy from sellers without checking feedback first, full stop
Your feedback left for you shows you buy from many sellers registered in China or who dropship from there who have utterly appalling feedback
You have been very very lucky if this has been your first problem
Just because a seller has next to no feedback on it's own is meaningless
Just as buying from a seller who has feedback in the thousands but several hundred of those feedback are negs is taking a huge risk
ala.alkw.kd8meibwf
OP10 months agoI consider myself pretty lucky then I suppose. I feel like I have already been picking and choosing those with mostly if not all positive feedback. But I must admit I haven't really purchased much from eBay not up until 6 months ago so maybe still new to this.
Also feels strangely interesting/exposed the way you guys are able to look into my profile to see what I've purchased/feedback I've received/given lol.
springyzone
·10 months agoDon't worry too much about it as no one here usually bothers looking at anyone's profile unless they have a good reason. Usually it is done to help someone who has a problem and people here want to see who the seller might have been, if there are any red flags they can notice etc
You can pretty much do the same to us (although not everyone here is posting under their selling account name) but you'd soon get bored, I predict.😁
The main thing to take from it is that if you click around in ebay, you can pick up information that isn't necessarily immediately apparent. Things such as feedback given and received, seller location, seller's pattern of sales and so on.
All things that can help you decide if someone is worth the risk of buying from.
Sellers can do it in reverse (usually after a sale, so not quite as useful) but they can sometimes pick up on whether a buyer has a bad pattern of problems, demanding refunds and so on.
sandypebbles
·10 months agoHow so?
Feedback is public, someone would not even have to be an eBay member to see it
And no, we cannot see what you have purchased, only the timeframe and the seller's eBay name
I don't know why you find the above strange
Your subject heading mentioned feedback
Or why, if you feel 'exposed' you don't set your feedback to private
Lol
springyzone
·10 months agoI'm impressed that, for someone who hasn't used ebay a lot, you have at least done all the right things. You never let it get past 30 days before you did anything, you opened an item not received claim, you opened an item not as described claim etc
All I can suggest is you follow things to the letter as I suspect the seller may not refund at all.
I am curious about the postage label. By rights, that should come from the seller. Did ebay generate one for you? I thought they might step in and force the issue if the seller failed to.
I would probably have uploaded a photo of the item to the dispute.
You're right to be very hesitant when purchasing from ebay, especially on really expensive items.
I would probably also be hesitant with a seller with so little recent activity. Apart from the sale to you, I think the seller has only sold one other thing in the past year.
You have the satisfaction though of your feedback having dragged this seller's % down to 50%.
Will ebay do much about it? I doubt it. There may be some restrictions placed on his selling for a time, but if he sells so little anyway, it probably won't affect him. I hope you get your refund as from what I can see, this seller should not have your money yet anyway, ebay would have a 30 day hold on funds in any case as this is classed as a new seller.
Let us know how you go.
ala.alkw.kd8meibwf
OP10 months agoI figured if anything was suspicious I should probably act quickly.
I also felt that it was strange that eBay was generating a label for the seller. From what I read online normally the refund gets processed automatically and I wouldn't have any further inconvenience or hassle. The dispute claim was processed by CS over the phone. This may have been a mistake judging from the lack of competency in the phone calls that followed.
YEP, can confirm there was satisfaction in leaving my feedback. And in this case I would say well deserved. Although I do agree that the seller is realistically unaffected if they don't sell much anyway.
springyzone
·10 months agoThank goodness you did decide to act quickly.
I think you were actually lucky the seller didn't communicate much at that stage as often what can happen is a seller can give a buyer false assurances or explanations and some buyers then wait longer and end up running out of time to open a claim.
There is an ebay money back guarantee but it isn't as straight forward as you imagine. The normal routine is that if your claim is accepted, the seller would generate a return label. You would then need to post the item back and you would be refunded only when the item was received by the seller.
There are a lot of things that can go wrong/complicate things. One is if a seller is overseas as they cannot generate a label. The next is some sellers persuade buyers that they need to pay return postage or they need to close the case before a return can be made. But once a buyer steps outside the normal ebay process there can be problems.
Then you might get a seller who disputes that the item was returned in original condition.
So all in all, it can take a little while, even if you win a claim, for you to get your money back. That's why it is important to really check out any seller very carefully before you commit to buy because ebay has millions of different sellers and like anywhere else, a few of them are dodgy.
ala.alkw.kd8meibwf
OP10 months agoThis is precisely my concern - that this might turn into a long, drawn out uphill battle. I can provide all the photos I want. Then there's going to be "their side of the story". After what's happened I've read many horror stories and to be fair this transaction could have gone much worse.
gutterpunkz05
·10 months agoNo point trying to get a supervisor. Once the item has been delivered back to the seller, the seller has three days to inspect the item and issue a full or partial refund, ebay will not do anything until that three days has elapsed.
ala.alkw.kd8meibwf
OP10 months agoIs there any risk of being unable to recover the full cost of the item + shipping?
repentatleisure1952
·10 months agoImo you have done everything the hard way.
The easy way would have been not to contact the seller or eBay.
I would have used the eBay Money Back Guarantee one day after the Last Estimated Delivery Date had passed.
Once the item arrived I would have closed an INR Case & opened an Item Not As Described Case without contacting eBay CS... who are renowned for giving poor advice.
https://www.ebay.com.au/help/policies/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy?id=4210&st=3&pos=4&query=eBay%20Money%20Back%20Guarantee%20policy&intent=MONEY%20BACK&lucenceai=lucenceai&docId=HELP1238
ala.alkw.kd8meibwf
OP10 months agoLesson learnt. Truly a run around and made so much harder by contacting eBay.