Parcel was damaged but buyer refused to take it back to the post off
Hi everyone,
I have recently sold a bottle of used perfume. Because of the terrible handlings by Australia Post in the past, I purchased extra insurance and Signature on Delivery at my own expenses. I also suggested the buyer to open up the parcel in the post office to make sure the perfume is not damaged (she uses a Post Office address as her delivery address).
The parcel was delivered on 10 Feb. On the following day, the buyer contacted me and said the package was leaking but she didn’t notice when picking up because she had several parcels. I replied within five minutes and told her not to open the parcel. Just take it back to the post office and tell the staff about what happened. They would fill a damaged report and giver her a reference number. I’ll then process a full refund to her.
The buyer did not respond to my message or take the parcel back. On 16 February, without any further communication, she opened a case and asked for a full refund. I left her several messages and said that I have purchased full insurance. She doesn’t need to worry about dealing with Australia Post as it is my responsibility. I will refund her the full amount but what she needs to do first is to take the parcel back to the post office so I can claim compensation.
But she just wouldn’t reply or return the parcel.
I have also contacted eBay, who suggested me to wait until 21 February or to provide the buyer with a return postage label even though I explained to eBay why the buyer does not need to send the parcel back to me.
This whole thing just seems really odd to me as most buyers would like to solve the matter ASAP. It normally doesn’t take this long for them to return the parcel. They would at least leave me a message if they couldn’t do it within a reasonable time.
It was lucky that I took a full video when packing up. I also took some photos when dropping off at the post office.
Has anyone came across similar situations before? I really don’t know what I should do now.
countessalmirena
·3 years agoSeparate issues. I won’t grin and bear being robbed by someone even if I had broken into a museum at night: the two different wrongs don’t cancel each other out or mitigate the act the stealing.
In terms of the sending of perfume, OP now realises it’s not on. AP if aware of the breach might issue a warning or fine.
In terms of the allegedly false claim and the returning of an empty parcel, that is an act committed knowingly, and in pursuit of a fraudulent claim. I know which of these two acts I consider more likely to have been committed with criminal intent.
All the stat dec need say is that the parcel was empty, that nothing was returned. That is what I consider the pertinent issue.
(If the buyer didn’t want to return the item, after all, she had the option of contacting eBay, explaining the situation, and asking for a refund without returning. Same outcome in terms of seller being out the original money and item, but not as the result of the same level of alleged deception.)
No one’s perfect in this scenario, but holy beard on a Santa, I wouldn’t let the buyer’s behaviour get a free pass.
domino-710
·3 years agoAll the stat dec need say is that the parcel was empty, that nothing was returned. That is what I consider the pertinent issue.
Then that ' stat dec ' - should contain the signature of the Aust Post employee - who sited - no content.
A STAT DEC - needs proof - to be upheld.
What's the odds - they want to get involved - give me a total break.
sugar249
·3 years agoyou broke Australia Posts terms of carriage, and then wanted your purchaser to do the same. !!!!!!!!
sandypebbles
·3 years agoNot sure how they will be able to report the buyer without reporting themselves
countessalmirena
·3 years agoMake a stat dec (and include stat dec of AP employee who witnessed this).
Contact Live Chat, inform them of what occurred, ask to whom you should upload the stat decs.
domino-710
·3 years agoWhy - perhaps the buyer was aware he/she didn't have a DGL (dangerous goods licence).
Opening it in front of an Aust Post employee could have ramifications on the sender.
eol-products
·3 years agoYou don't need a dangerous goods license to transport your bottle of perfume to the post office unless you are a business moving a large quantity like a pallet.
The transport company you use will need one though but things have changed over the last few years and they are not as strict on small quantities under 30kg's so the requirements may have changed for sending one bottle.
And if Australia Post was concerned with damaged parcels leaking then they would stop the practice of dumping pallets of them onto conveyors.
davewil1964
·3 years agoThe transport company you use will need one though
Incorrect!
AP, or any other carriage service, do not pack the goods. They will transport Dangerous Goods IF the purveyor of such has a DGL, thus the onus is on the seller to have the requisite licence AND to pack to required standards.
domino-710
·3 years agoI tried to make sense of this - I really did.
eol-products
·3 years agoHere is the EPA's information regarding the subject.
Dangerous goods sold online from e-commerce websites such as eBay and Gumtree must comply with the relevant legislation and the ADG Code. Very small amounts of dangerous goods in individual consignments are exempt, in accordance with Clause 6 (2) (a) of the Dangerous Goods (Road and Rail Transport) Regulation 2022 and table 1.1.1.2 of the ADG Code (Edition 7.7).
The seller is responsible for ensuring dangerous goods are transported lawfully. Sellers consigning dangerous goods must ensure the goods are classified correctly.
Online sellers of dangerous goods must engage a courier/transport company that transports dangerous goods in accordance with the ADG Code, Australia Post prohibits the transport of most articles or substances classified as dangerous goods. Before putting any dangerous goods in the post, you should contact Australia Post to find out if it is allowed.
Dangerous goods packaged in small quantities may be eligible for transport as limited quantities (LQ). When engaging a transport company, you should ask if they can transport your items as limited quantities.
domino-710
·3 years agoAgain - from an inquiry to Aust Post - the answer I received.
And - this whole thread is about posting perfume through Aust Post.
No mention of any other methods of transport.
Stick to the relevant topic.
eol-products
·3 years agoYou said this in a previous post which is what I has responded to.
"Why - perhaps the buyer was aware he/she didn't have a DGL (dangerous goods licence)."
My response is to your misinformation you are giving regarding your comment.
The issue the OP is having is not about what was sent but what was not sent back to them. As mentioned by countessalmirena.
domino-710
·3 years agoA stat dec - stating you actually broke the law by sending a prohibited item through the post - but didn't receive it back.
Hello.
imastawka
·3 years agoa4245-65
OP3 years agoHi everyone, I have just received the parcel from the buyer. I opened it at the counter in the post office. And guess what? The buyer didn't send it back. The box is empty and filled with some used bubbles.
twyngwyn
·3 years ago...Now it's theft.....do as countess recommended
a4245-65
OP3 years agoThank you for sending me all the information. I have learnt so much. I now only allow local pick up for used perfume, and it has worked very well.
I approved the buyer's return request on 20 Feb. After almost two weeks, she still has not returned the item or responded to my message.
I also checked her profile (should have done it earlier). She left feedback for 11 sellers, 4 of which are negative. Of course, it's the buyer's right to leave anything they want. It is just really unusual that she had issues with almost 40% of her eBay sellers but she is still buying from eBay.
I'll let you guys know if there is anything new.
sandypebbles
·3 years agoIt is unlikely the buyer has a dangerous goods license , but as a serial neg giver, even more unlikely she'd return it
Once this is over, put her on your blocked bidders list, there is a very good chance she will reappear and do it again otherwise (even with pick up only items)
rocket2retro
·3 years agoSo in a nutshell..-
You've sold an item you know can't be sold on eBay (used perfume)
To circumvent eBay's rules you've listed as new (when it's not)
You've posted it when it is against Australia Post rules (unless you have a DGL- which you don't)
You've insured it (but Australia Post insurance doesn't cover glass breakages and I'm sure they won't cover prohibited items either).
I'd quietly accept the return before eBay cotton on to the above and your selling days might be numbered if you continue down this path.
siddieswans
·3 years agoPeople do list partial bottles of perfume under
where the option for Used / Pre-owned is available. I presume this is within eBay rules - the bottles (and packaging) are of course collectable. Totally ignores the problem of posting with AP without a DGL. I have in the past sold factices, even overseas - needed to be carefully explained that factices are filled with coloured water, not perfume. Probably not worth the effort these days. If perfume bottles still have some contents, I have sold them through B&M auction if I thought it was worth it. The whole notion of selling partial bottles of perfume through eBay seems a nightmare to me.
huatao1975
·3 years agoGuys, when I searched for "perfume", there is no option for "used", it's either "New with box" or "New without box" and apparently sellers use the 2nd option to sell half full used bottles.
papermoon.lady
·3 years agoI wonder if it is because perfume bottles are supposed to be sold new?
domino-710
·3 years agoI made an enquiry through AP - for both - new & opened - this was the outcome.
Hang on. lol
gutterpunkz05
·3 years agoIt was lucky that I took a full video when packing up. I also took some photos when dropping off at the post office.
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How does this in anyway, prove the condition of the item as received by the buyer. Of no value or interest to ebay.
gutterpunkz05
·3 years agoSave yourself a whole lot of grief, simply accept the return and issue a return label. It is then up to the buyer to return your item.
Extra insurance! ..... If the item was not packed to AP specifications, insurance is useless.
twyngwyn
·3 years agoOh no.....you've chosen NEW without box for your listing.....but in your description you've said USED and 80mls missing.
Buyer may not have even read the description.
I think you've made an expensive error, sorry
papermoon.lady
·3 years agoThe description also says that it comes with the original box. It looks like the OP selected the wrong option when creating the listing, as it is used with the original box rather than new without the box. I don't think that used with the original box exists as an option, but yes, it should have been "used".
a4245-65
OP3 years agoThere is no ‘ USED’ option when listing a perfume. And the buyer was aware the perfume had been used. A full bottle of 200ml costs around $1000.
*sons_n_daughters*
·3 years agoNot to mention that it not only says new without box, the description then says original box included. Either it has a box, or it doesn't!
Then we have another new without box, that is actually used, that also comes with a box apparently. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/385423166418?hash=item59bd02cbd2:g:Og0AAOSwWERjx4gZ
I'm wondering why the OP isn't displaying the number of their dangerous goods licence, that you need, to be able to post perfumes. I'm also wondering how many of their other "new without box" items are in fact new. Like, who wouldn't want a used lip gloss? BAWAHAHAHA.
a4245-65
OP3 years agoThe buyer was fully aware the perfume is used. She had been asking lots of questions, such as the time when the perfume was first opened, and how much it had been used.
eBay does not allow sellers to list used perfume.
domino-710
·3 years agoThen why are you selling a prohibited product.??
a4245-65
OP3 years agoThank you for asking AP. I contacted them last week regarding the incident, and they didn’t even say a single word about this policy. I was just told to take the perfume back to the post office and file a compensation claim. If sending perfume within AP is completely not permitted, I wonder how businesses, likeMyer and Jo Malone, could send their parcels. Or they might just bear the costs of damaged goods. Thanks again.
domino-710
·3 years agoWhat is it you are not understanding - DGL - a Dangerous Goods Licence.
You do not have one.
sandypebbles
·3 years agoAs as been said, those business would have to have a dangerous goods license to send perfume
springyzone
·3 years agoI think there is a strong possibility that even if she takes it back to the PO, you won't be able to claim insurance on it. All insurance companies, including the PO service, will get out of paying if they possibly can and unfortunately, you posted a prohibited item.
Even if she opened it in a PO, they could always say the packaging wasn't adequate in any case.
I don't know about anyone else, I can only speak for myself, but if a seller suggested I open a parcel in the PO, I probably would not comply.
You say you're surprised that the buyer doesn't want to solve the problem asap. I think she does.
She is suspicious because even before the item arrived, you were telling her to open it at the PO in case she needed to submit a claim. She's wondering if maybe the lid was potentially faulty and you knew it.
Now you're telling her she will get a refund only after she returns the parcel to the PO.
She isn't sure how that will work out, so she's going the sure route, through ebay. I can tell you now, I'd probably do the same.
Give up trying to persuade her to take it to the PO.
I don't see what else you can do except refund her but before doing so, perhaps ask her to send you a photo of the damage and leaking. Tell her you will issue a full refund.
Edit: Just read in another post she has already sent you a photo.
Just refund, in that case. Nothing to be gained by dilly dallying around.
a4245-65
OP3 years agoHi thank you so much for writing this long message. I have told her since the very beginning that I will refund her the full amount but she just wouldn’t reply to either eBay or me.
Perfume is allowed to post only via Standard Post within Australia. I have personally bought perfume from Myer and Jo Malone, who also use Australia Post as their courier. It is strictly prohibited when shipping them to overseas.
I suggested her to open the parcel in the post office because there have been several times when Australia Post poorly handled the parcels with the bottle being completely smashed.
I have also came across scammers who claimed the box was empty after receiving the parcel. So now I have always taken a full video when packing up and some photos when dropping off at the post office. All of these could all prove the perfume or the box was not damaged.
Thank you so much for telling me all of these. It has just helped me see things from a different perspective.
papermoon.lady
·3 years agoYes, it is a bit odd because if she always picks up the parcels from the post office, it shouldn't be too difficult for her to go to the post office again, and she probably goes regularly.
Maybe she has opened the parcel?
Has she provided any photos of the leak?
domino-710
·3 years agoa4245-65
OP3 years agoThank you for your reply.
Yes, you are right. We can’t send perfume overseas because it is inflammable and classified as ‘dangerous goods’. However, within Australia, the perfume is permitted to be transported by road, so we can post perfume using Standard Post, but not Express Post.
domino-710
·3 years agoIf you got your info from here =
Given the flammable nature of perfume, it is classified as dangerous goods and is therefore required to be transported by road. Perfume CANNOT be sent via Express Post.
Take another look - they are a clearance co - and more than probably have a DGL.
To add - I cannot imagine it is OK to send - opened bottles of perfume through Australia Post - let alone who would purchase same.
The PO would have had a great waft on receiving a leaking bottle.
Better ' clean ' up your listings or look for a world of pain.
*sons_n_daughters*
·3 years agoI would think that the buyer thought the perfume had leaked, because they bought new without box, and got a bottle, probably with a box, that was only 80% full. If I'd bought it where it said new without box, regardless of the description, I'd expect a full bottle. The buyer has every right to be pished.
I think the OP is going to find themselves with lots of pain!
domino-710
·3 years agoIf it's the Kurkdjian Baccarat - there are 2 photos of the non existent box.
Ad looks as though it has a ' stopper ' - good luck with that not leaking.
a4245-65
OP3 years agoThe buyer only sent me a photo of the box. I am still not sure what the inside looks like.
This picture is a bottle of brand new perfume with its coffret. This happened a few weeks ago. See what AP did.
I have sent and received perfume for a few times. I never know it is prohibited within Australia. I really appreciate that you asked AP. Thank you again.
daydreams_12
·3 years agoThere are in fact 2 items that say Brand New without box. The one you mention that says 80% full and another citing 50%.
An accident waiting to happen
a4245-65
OP3 years agoThis information is really helpful. I think the point here is that the bottle had been opened. It doesn’t matter whether I have purchased extra insurance or not.That’s why companies like Myer or Jo Malone can send perfume with AP because their items are all brand new. Thank you so much. This really helps.
domino-710
·3 years agoMyer & Jo Malone - are probably licenced to do so - an individual is not - unless licenced.
a4245-65
OP3 years agoThank you for your reply.
Yes, she did send me a photo. The perfume was sold for $380 plus shipping. Normally, it just wouldn’t take this long for the buyer to return or respond. Not sure if this is some sort of new scam.