topic Re: why should in Community Spirit

why should

Anonymous — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 03:53:38 GMT

Catholic schools get government funding anyway? now university money is going towards private schooling. wth.

if Catholics want their own little private indoctrination schools- fine- but they should pay for them. fgs just call the Vatican.

Re: why should

cherry*135 — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 03:58:26 GMT

It is not only Catholic Schools that get govt funding, most private schools do.

Re: why should

Anonymous — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:03:01 GMT

I know.

but I dont like the Catholic Church so I am concentrating on them. lol.

the richest institution in the world should fund their own schools, they already get away with paying no tax.

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azureline** — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:08:06 GMT

No Church pays tax.

Catholic school funding..... the Government cannot afford to open or run more schools, without private and Church schools, Government Schools would have less money.

Haven't we had this conversation before? :8}

Re: why should

cherry*135 — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:12:40 GMT

I could tell it was an attack on Catholic Church ( not my religion either.)

Under the proposed Gonski funding reforms, public schools will receive an extra $12 billion.

....But what does the 319-page Gonski report on school funding actually say?
Catholic schools will get an extra $1.5 billion and independent schools an extra $1 billion.

Catholic Schools will get more than other independent schools - what is the reasoning behind that?

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*crikey*mate* — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:13:46 GMT

A child in either a Catholic school or any other independent school (private schools don't have to be religious based) still pay the same money towards a place in a public school but don't use the spot, so do not cost the government that money to educate them.

The funding an independent school receives is LESS than what it costs the government to educate that same child in the public system.

So it actually SAVES the government money by keeping as many kids in private schools as they can - as they have to contribute LESS money towards the "free" education that EVERY Australian child is entitled to.

Apparently, the government could NOT AFFORD to educate every child in the education system.

As for uni money being redirected towards any schooling - if the kids aren't qualifying to even go to uni - what's the point of having uni?

It's like when they bought in free uni - good in theory, but they soon worked out it wasn't the cost that was stopping most people from getting in - it was the level of education - so they refocused and redirected the money to make more people capable of even applying for uni.

As for singling out Catholic Schools in your OP - Catholic schools are the biggest non state educators in Australia - that might be why they have been targeted for extra funds.

If staying in Private school became unaffordable and all children left the private system to go public - that would impact on the *cough*quality*cough of public education significantly.

The public system is at capacity now - so where are they going to put all the kids and how are they going to educate them if they leave private schools?

Re: why should

cherry*135 — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:14:56 GMT

Perhaps the Catholic Church has runs more schools (primary and secondary) than other independent christian schools (Anglican, etc) therefore this has been accounted for by giving them more funds.

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*crikey*mate* — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:15:45 GMT

I know.

but I dont like the Catholic Church so I am concentrating on them. lol.

the richest institution in the world should fund their own schools, they already get away with paying no tax.

They'd probably be fine with that if the parents who chose to send their kids to ANY private school didn't also have to pay for a place in a public school which they don't use - so it is the public school kids who are being subsidized by the private school kids.

Re: why should

*crikey*mate* — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:17:19 GMT

I could tell it was an attack on Catholic Church ( not my religion either.)

Under the proposed Gonski funding reforms, public schools will receive an extra $12 billion.

....But what does the 319-page Gonski report on school funding actually say?
Catholic schools will get an extra $1.5 billion and independent schools an extra $1 billion.

Catholic Schools will get more than other independent schools - what is the reasoning behind that?

Catholic Education is the largest educational body outside of public schools - i.e. there are more kids in catholic school than any other independent school.

Re: why should

cherry*135 — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:17:23 GMT

The extra money given to Catholic and Independent schools may allow them to expand and increase their rolls. More students out of the state system.

Re: why should

azureline** — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:18:16 GMT

and those who pay taxes pay to fund Government schools and don't use them,,,,,,

Re: why should

azureline** — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:25:00 GMT

but she tells it better than us........

Re: why should

cherry*135 — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:25:58 GMT

Crikey made valid, accurate points.

Singling out the Catholic Church when independent schools are receving similar amounts based on no. of schools they run... what do you call that - abalanced discussion?

What are your reasons for singling them out?

Catholic School fees are much lower than most independent school fees as well, and they take a % of non-Catholic students.

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cherry*135 — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:28:57 GMT

My brothers children went to Catholic schools (they are Protestant), because their parents didn't like the public schools available to them. The never go indoctrinated into the Catholic religion.

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the_great_she_elephant — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:41:20 GMT

I think also Catholic Schools (apart from those at the very top end of the market) charge far lower fees and serve a far wider demographic than other private schools.

If funding was withdrawn it is not the elite schools that would suffer, but the small local ones; and as Az said, if they didn't exist, the government would have to find and fund places for all the students currently attending them - which would work out a lot more expensive than the current subsidies.

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wareubin — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:42:57 GMT

What are your reasons for singling them out?

I dont like the Catholic Church so I am concentrating on them. lol.

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cherry*135 — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:43:01 GMT

Crikey was providing facts - accurate facts.

Can you give some examples of outrageous Catholic School fees compared to other independent school fees?

When my youngest was in YR12 a four years ago at an Anglican school the fees were around $15 000 p.a.

There is a Catholic primary school where I live. I know non-Catholics that send their children there, they are on low to mid incomes.

Re: why should

cynthecowgirl — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:53:58 GMT

If they don't pay tax then for starters what do you call the gst they pay on items? Of course they pay tax, what a stupid and biased accusation to make.

The parents of children in Catholic schools work and pay taxes, so why shouldn't they get some of that back via gov't funding in their kids schools?

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cynthecowgirl — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:55:58 GMT

Also are you talking about Federal funding or State funding? Both contribute to all forms of education be it public or private in varying degrees.

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cherry*135 — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:59:30 GMT

This is what the OP is referring to:

Under the proposed Gonski funding reforms, public schools will receive an extra $12 billion.

....But what does the 319-page Gonski report on school funding actually say?
Catholic schools will get an extra $1.5 billion and independent schools an extra $1 billion.

Cuts to University funding are going to be made to fund the above