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This can't be true

donnashuggy — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:48:34 GMT

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meh_too — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:18:18 GMT

so what?

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donnashuggy — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:22:09 GMT

It's a small donation I suppose, but is it true?

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sarah308 — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:18:20 GMT

thats clutching at straws

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***super_nova*** — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 22:54:39 GMT

Not sure about the $, but yes, tobacco companies have always donated a lot to LNP, although I think they also give to ALP.

But I think Tony should stick to his bike, he looks as if he pooped in his pants

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acacia_pycnantha — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:02:03 GMT

hhhmmmm me thinks bob katter would make a better marlboro man. tony looks boring, katter looks more interesting.

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just_me_karen — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:04:27 GMT

No, the alp refuses donations from tobacco companies

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nero_bolt — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:31:52 GMT

@just_me_karen wrote:
No, the alp refuses donations from tobacco companies

wrong

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/alp-still-seeking-political-donations-from-tobacco-companies/story-fn59niix-1226077398148

THE Labor Party has continued to seek political donations of up to $102,000 from a major tobacco company, as recently as this week, despite a ban.

The embarrassing revelation comes in the same week federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon was forced to apologise for sending a fundraising request to the same company in 2005, a year after Labor banned tobacco company donations.

Most of the six newly revealed letters were sent by Sports Minister Mark Arbib when he was secretary of the NSW ALP. They invited a senior tobacco executive to spend up to $15,000 on tickets to fundraising functions.

Current NSW secretary Sam Dastyari wrote to the executive at Philip Morris this month offering a $5000 place at a Business Dialogue and Country Business Forum

The letter arrived at Philip Morris on the same day that Ms Roxon apologised after the ABC revealed she had sent a similar request to the same company.

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resistance.is..futile — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:33:18 GMT

yeah, but can you imagine kevin on a horse?

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lakeland27 — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:35:28 GMT

@nero_wulf wrote:
@just_me_karen wrote:
No, the alp refuses donations from tobacco companies

wrong
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/alp-still-seeking-political-donations-from-tobacco-companies/story-fn59niix-1226077398148

THE Labor Party has continued to seek political donations of up to $102,000 from a major tobacco company, as recently as this week, despite a ban.

The embarrassing revelation comes in the same week federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon was forced to apologise for sending a fundraising request to the same company in 2005, a year after Labor banned tobacco company donations.

Most of the six newly revealed letters were sent by Sports Minister Mark Arbib when he was secretary of the NSW ALP. They invited a senior tobacco executive to spend up to $15,000 on tickets to fundraising functions.

Current NSW secretary Sam Dastyari wrote to the executive at Philip Morris this month offering a $5000 place at a Business Dialogue and Country Business Forum

The letter arrived at Philip Morris on the same day that Ms Roxon apologised after the ABC revealed she had sent a similar request to the same company.
Wrong. that article is dated 2011. they no longer accept tobacco money. the libs continue to.

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para-gone — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:37:00 GMT

You left this part out nero-

"It is understood Philip Morris has not attended any of the functions and no money has changed hands. The latest letter included a form asking any donors to declare that they were not "prohibited donors" including property developers or tobacco companies.

Mr Dastyari said the letter was an "accidental error".

"The NSW Labor Party does not accept donations from tobacco companies - the application form to join Business Dialogue clearly states this," he said. "Unfortunately, it appears an out-of-date database has inadvertently been used."

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just_me_karen — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:46:48 GMT

Haha quoting "news" from 2011?

ALP has ethical standards, except for the refugee policy which is nicked from the Libs. I bet many alp ministers cringe at that policy, but like the treasurer said yesterday, anything is better than abbott in the top seat.

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meh_too — Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:06:59 GMT

@just_me_karen wrote:
Haha quoting "news" from 2011?

ALP has ethical standards, except for the refugee policy which is nicked from the Libs. I bet many alp ministers cringe at that policy, but like the treasurer said yesterday, anything is better than abbott in the top seat.

the quote on the picture is from 1998-2011, so neither party had ethics up to then

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lakeland27 — Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:08:29 GMT

@meh_too wrote:
@just_me_karen wrote:
Haha quoting "news" from 2011?

ALP has ethical standards, except for the refugee policy which is nicked from the Libs. I bet many alp ministers cringe at that policy, but like the treasurer said yesterday, anything is better than abbott in the top seat.
the quote on the picture is from 1998-2011, so neither party had ethics up to then

now one of them has plain packaging is a triumph.

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donnashuggy — Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:15:19 GMT

It's far from plain Lakeland.

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lakeland27 — Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:19:33 GMT

well. plain' apart from the odd black lung or gangrenous foot. the pics aren't exactly good advertising are they .

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just_me_karen — Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:21:23 GMT

I have a photo of a dying, emaciated man on my packet and it's nearly making me give up, but I'm fighting off the urges lol

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donnashuggy — Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:21:39 GMT

I dislike them intensely. They are offensive to non smokers.

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donnashuggy — Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:22:22 GMT

Cigarette cases are back in fashion Karen, lol

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monman12 — Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:44:53 GMT

DY: "This can't be true"
So why post it?
"It's a small donation I suppose, but is it true?"
Why not research it?

Who needs corporate donations when the ALP head office, the ACTU, can slap a levy on union members? Also the monies raised by these "voluntary" additional contributions do not have to be shown as political donations when they are used for political advertising paid for with the ACTU monies.

"The ACTU's national office gave $200,000 to Labor at the last election. Altogether, unions gave Labor $5.14 million in declared donations. They spent even more on third-party campaigning, such as advertising totalling $12.14 million in 2010-11."

I wonder how much was involved in the period 1998 - 2011?, gosh over 200 million dollars, "This can't be true"

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