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    <title>topic Re: Wind Farms in Community Spirit</title>
    <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594486#M181366</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;I'm by no means an expert on wind farms and being a bit of a greenie I want them to be a practical alternative. I just read what goes in our local papers and have spoken to people both for and against them. As I said there is plenty of information both for and against windfarms, we could sit here googling opposing sides of both stories all day but I've got things to do and doubt that it would achieve much anyway.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;But this is an interesting article also and worth reading right through.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/wind-farm-scam-a-huge-cover-up/story-e6frgd0x-1226345185075" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/wind-farm-scam-a-huge-cover-up/story-e6frgd0x-1226345185075&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;The figures are mind-boggling. Each of those turbines will cost about $3 million, which means $30 billion even before you've started building the power lines. And where's this money coming from? The consumer, of course -- mostly via tariffs whacked on to the price of conventional, fossil-fuel energy prices, in the form of payouts called Renewable Energy Certificates.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;Note that wind turbines produce very little power. Because wind is intermittent, they operate at between one-fifth and one-third of their capacity, meaning they are erratic, unreliable and have to be fully backed up by conventional "black" (mostly coal-fuelled) power. Where the money is to be made is through the REC subsidy. A 3MW wind turbine that generates (at most) $150,000 worth of electricity a year is eligible for guaranteed subsidies of $500,000 a year. A ridgeline hosting 20 or 30 turbines generates very little power -- but an awful lot of free cash for those lucky enough to get their snouts in the trough.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Sun, 04 Aug 2013 01:50:38 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>cosmosgrove</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-08-04T01:50:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593404#M181109</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Would you mind living under one? If yes why?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Do you know anyone that &lt;EM&gt;does&lt;/EM&gt; live close to one? Any stories?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Many are approved for around this area. I've heard them &lt;EM&gt;click click clicking&lt;/EM&gt; around Cape Nelson not sure I'd like to live under that&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:21:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593404#M181109</guid>
      <dc:creator>clair.de.lune</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T09:21:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593430#M181114</link>
      <description>I've been in houses that have wind turbines, they're only audible in fairly strong winds. I wouldn't like to live close to a major wind farm. The repetitive noise would send you bonkas. The power would be great...and clean...</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:41:26 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593430#M181114</guid>
      <dc:creator>just_me_karen</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T09:41:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593482#M181132</link>
      <description>I don't know much about them except that we've driven past them a few times (great ocean Rd. I think) . I know they're good clean energy but they look a bit scary, as if the fan part is going to fall off. I think it's one of those situations that people want them around, but not in their own back yards. Wasn't there somewhere in Vic someone stopped them being installed due to an endangered bird species?</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:14:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593482#M181132</guid>
      <dc:creator>debra9275</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:14:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593492#M181136</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Cape Nelson would be a major wind farm in Daylesford there's two, lol two&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:16:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593492#M181136</guid>
      <dc:creator>clair.de.lune</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:16:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593500#M181139</link>
      <description>There are some on the way to Stawell too Clair. I find them a bit stressful to look at .</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:20:15 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593500#M181139</guid>
      <dc:creator>debra9275</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:20:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593502#M181140</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Was it wedge tailed eagles Debra?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:20:20 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593502#M181140</guid>
      <dc:creator>clair.de.lune</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:20:20Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593510#M181273</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I've never heard a windfarm in action.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Windbag yes. Plenty around here but not this thread - yet &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:23:54 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593510#M181273</guid>
      <dc:creator>buzzlightyearsgirlfriend</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:23:54Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593526#M181148</link>
      <description>Clair, I think it was some little honey eater type bird&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Lol Buzz</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:26:31 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593526#M181148</guid>
      <dc:creator>debra9275</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:26:31Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593528#M181149</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;img id="smileylol" class="emoticon emoticon-smileylol" src="https://community.ebay.com.au/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-lol.png" alt="Smiley LOL" title="Smiley LOL" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:27:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593528#M181149</guid>
      <dc:creator>cherry*135</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:27:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593530#M181150</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Don't know what the noise level is like, but I hear they pay pretty good for it to be on your property.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:27:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593530#M181150</guid>
      <dc:creator>nevynreally</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:27:27Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593684#M181196</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;** windfarm = wind farm&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:26:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593684#M181196</guid>
      <dc:creator>cherry*135</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T11:26:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593854#M181241</link>
      <description>I thought we were discussing the topic?&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I have a relative who gets paid very substantially for having a Telstra tower on their property, so you're probably right there</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:59:35 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593854#M181241</guid>
      <dc:creator>debra9275</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T11:59:35Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593952#M181268</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;We have them around here, yes the farmers are paid to have them on their properties, but very few of those landholders actually live on those properties. I feel very sorry for people that do live near them and have met two families that believe they suffer negatively from them.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;One of those families was from Victoria and they had moved from the family home after decades because of the effects on them from the turbines. Another couple that I've met were paid to have them years ago in the first installation, but certainly regret it now, they are an older couple and have been to the media, protests etc. They try to spend as little time at home as they can.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If you look into it, with the costs of building, running and maintaining the turbines they are not very economical and are heavily subsidised.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In answer to your question there is no way I'd want to live witihin a few miles of a windfarm. I believe they can be very detrimental to peoples health (depending on location/lay of the land) and if we are going to have them then put them offshore.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:35:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593952#M181268</guid>
      <dc:creator>cosmosgrove</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T12:35:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593976#M181272</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;was it the noise or just the sight of them Cosmo? I wouldn't like them near me either. Big scary looking things they are&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:42:15 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593976#M181272</guid>
      <dc:creator>debra9275</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T12:42:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594012#M181281</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I think they look quite majestic and peaceful. Much more pleasant the plumes of smog.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The one near here has made a huge difference to the quality of our electricity service.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;We used to get brown outs and black outs frequently and don't anymore.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I haven't heard any of the people who live on the farms complain about them.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:57:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594012#M181281</guid>
      <dc:creator>freakiness</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T12:57:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594020#M181282</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;It's not even the audible noise that seems to be the problem, if you stand near them you feel them pulse through you. I think it's this that is more the problem, the relentlessness of it. They actually talk about the infrasound, so the noise you can't hear but still affects you. I don't think it's as simple as how close you live and has alot to do with how your dwelling is sited and impacted by the motion of the blades, so someone living directly under one may not be impacted as much as someone a km or two away.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;There has been plenty of coverage in the local paper over the years, both for and against. There is plenty of information on line re wind turbine syndrome, again both for and against. I believe the original hosts of the turbines signed confidentiality contracts, if they want there annual fee they don't speak out against them.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:00:18 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594020#M181282</guid>
      <dc:creator>cosmosgrove</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T13:00:18Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594028#M181284</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/668691"&gt;@freakiness&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;I think they look quite majestic and peaceful. Much more pleasant the plumes of smog.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The one near here has made a huge difference to the quality of our electricity service.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;We used to get brown outs and black outs frequently and don't anymore.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I haven't heard any of the people who live on the farms complain about them.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;I actually don't mind the look of them either. How large are the ones near you? The ones down here are very large and the next lot they are planning are even bigger again.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:02:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594028#M181284</guid>
      <dc:creator>cosmosgrove</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T13:02:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594030#M181285</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I've seen that on the tv Cosmos that some people feel that their health is affected. &amp;nbsp;I think it was headaches or migraines.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Whether it's true or just hysteria I don't know.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:03:26 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594030#M181285</guid>
      <dc:creator>j*oono</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T13:03:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594044#M181289</link>
      <description>I didn't realize that. A bit like the complaints about living near the electricity pylons then</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:26:29 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594044#M181289</guid>
      <dc:creator>debra9275</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T13:26:29Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594070#M181295</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;wind..........giggle&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:44:22 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594070#M181295</guid>
      <dc:creator>*mrgrizz*</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T13:44:22Z</dc:date>
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