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    <title>topic Re: Wind Farms in Community Spirit</title>
    <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594514#M181374</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;I'm not sure if that link works correctly, when i click on it it doesn't take me to the complete story, it wants me to log in. Anyway this is the copy/paste below for anyone who wants to read it.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;DIV class="story-header"&gt;&lt;DIV class="story-headline"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Wind farm scam a huge cover-up&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV class="story-info"&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;BY:JAMES DELINGPOLE&amp;nbsp;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;From :The Australian&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;May 03, 2012&amp;nbsp;12:00AM&amp;nbsp;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV class="story-header-tools"&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;ONE of the great popular misconceptions about climate-change sceptics such as Ian Plimer, Bob Carter, Cardinal George Pell and me is that we're all Big-Oil-funded, Gaia-ravaging, nature-hating emissaries of Satan. We can't look at a lovely pristine beach, apparently, without praying for a nice, juicy oil slick to turn up and wipe out all the pelicans and turtles and sea otters.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV class="story-body  lead-media-small"&gt;&lt;P&gt;But this isn't actually true. I love our beautiful planet at least as much as your $180,000-a-year (for a three-day week) climate commissioner Tim Flannery does. One of my great heroes is Patrick Moore, the Canadian co-founder of Greenpeace with whose sensible, rational approach to environmental issues I agree 100 per cent. Another of my heroes, after an article headlined "Where eagles dare not fly" in The Weekend Australian on April 21, is this newspaper's environment editor Graham Lloyd.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It took great courage for Lloyd to write up his expose of the tremendous damage being caused by a wind farm to a small community in Waterloo, north of Adelaide. Most newspaper environment editors -- from Australia to Britain and the US -- tend, unfortunately, to be so ideologically wedded to the supposed virtues of renewable energy they find it all but impossible to criticise it.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Lloyd interviewed a number of victims whose lives had been ruined by the vast, swooshing wind towers looking over their homes. They found sleep almost impossible; they couldn't concentrate; they had night sweats, headaches, palpitations, heart trouble. Their chickens were laying eggs without yolks; their ewes were giving birth to deformed lambs; their once-active dogs spent their days staring blankly at the wall. The damage, it seems, is caused not so much by the noise you can hear but by what you can't hear: the infrasonic waves that attack the balance mechanism in the ear and against which not even home insulation can defend you. Its effects can be felt more than 10km away.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Inspired by Lloyd's article, I went to investigate and was heartbroken by what I found. Until you've seen what it can do to people, it's easy to dismiss wind turbine syndrome as a hypochondriac's charter or an urban myth. But it's real all right. Waterloo felt like a ghost town: shuttered houses and a dust-blown aura of sinister unease, as in a horror movie when something dreadful has happened to a previously ordinary, happy settlement and at first you're not sure what. Then you look up on to the horizon and see them, turning slowly in the breeze . . .&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Even more shocking than this, though, were my discoveries about the finance arrangements and behaviour of the wind farm companies. What we have here, I believe, is the biggest and most outrageous public affairs scandal of the 21st century -- one in which the Gillard government is implicated and that far exceeds in seriousness and scope of the Slipper or Thomson sideshows.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;At the heart of this scandal are the union superannuation funds that are using the wind farm scam as a kind of government-endorsed Ponzi scheme to fill their coffers at public expense. One of the biggest wind farm developers -- Pacific Hydro -- is owned by the union superfund Members Equity Bank. To meet its carbon reduction quotas, we're told, Australia needs to build about 10,000 new wind turbines like the ones that have destroyed Waterloo (and dozens of communities like it from NSW to South Australia).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The figures are mind-boggling. Each of those turbines will cost about $3 million, which means $30 billion even before you've started building the power lines. And where's this money coming from? The consumer, of course -- mostly via tariffs whacked on to the price of conventional, fossil-fuel energy prices, in the form of payouts called Renewable Energy Certificates.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Note that wind turbines produce very little power. Because wind is intermittent, they operate at between one-fifth and one-third of their capacity, meaning they are erratic, unreliable and have to be fully backed up by conventional "black" (mostly coal-fuelled) power. Where the money is to be made is through the REC subsidy. A 3MW wind turbine that generates (at most) $150,000 worth of electricity a year is eligible for guaranteed subsidies of $500,000 a year. A ridgeline hosting 20 or 30 turbines generates very little power -- but an awful lot of free cash for those lucky enough to get their snouts in the trough.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If the unions were merely exploiting government environmental legislation to milk the taxpayer it would be bad enough: but what makes the wind farm scam so scandalous are the public health issues. Why aren't we more aware of these? Because there have been cover-ups on an epic scale. The owners on whose land the turbines are built are subject to rigorous gagging orders (from law firms such as Julia Gillard's ex-company, Slater &amp;amp; Gordon); tame experts are paid huge sums to testify that there are no health implications; inquiries are rigged; victims are rehoused and silenced with million-dollar payoffs. The global wind farm industry -- a cash cow for everyone from Labor's unions to the mafia -- is so massive it can afford it.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Meanwhile the rest of us lose. Communities are divided, landscapes blighted, birds and bats sliced and diced, property values destroyed, lives ruined to deal with a "problem" -- anthropogenic CO2 causing "global warming" -- which most current evidence tells us doesn't even exist.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;As a NSW sheep farmer fighting tooth and nail to stop a wind farm development near his beloved home told me the other day in trenchant style: "The wind-farm business is bloody well near a pedophile ring. They're f . . king our families and knowingly doing so."&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;James Delingpole's Killing the Earth to Save It (How Environmentalists are Ruining the Planet, Destroying the Economy and Stealing Your Jobs) is out now (Connor Court Publishing).&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Sun, 04 Aug 2013 02:11:33 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>cosmosgrove</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-08-04T02:11:33Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593404#M181109</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Would you mind living under one? If yes why?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Do you know anyone that &lt;EM&gt;does&lt;/EM&gt; live close to one? Any stories?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Many are approved for around this area. I've heard them &lt;EM&gt;click click clicking&lt;/EM&gt; around Cape Nelson not sure I'd like to live under that&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:21:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593404#M181109</guid>
      <dc:creator>clair.de.lune</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T09:21:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593430#M181114</link>
      <description>I've been in houses that have wind turbines, they're only audible in fairly strong winds. I wouldn't like to live close to a major wind farm. The repetitive noise would send you bonkas. The power would be great...and clean...</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:41:26 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593430#M181114</guid>
      <dc:creator>just_me_karen</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T09:41:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593482#M181132</link>
      <description>I don't know much about them except that we've driven past them a few times (great ocean Rd. I think) . I know they're good clean energy but they look a bit scary, as if the fan part is going to fall off. I think it's one of those situations that people want them around, but not in their own back yards. Wasn't there somewhere in Vic someone stopped them being installed due to an endangered bird species?</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:14:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593482#M181132</guid>
      <dc:creator>debra9275</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:14:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593492#M181136</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Cape Nelson would be a major wind farm in Daylesford there's two, lol two&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:16:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593492#M181136</guid>
      <dc:creator>clair.de.lune</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:16:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593500#M181139</link>
      <description>There are some on the way to Stawell too Clair. I find them a bit stressful to look at .</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:20:15 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593500#M181139</guid>
      <dc:creator>debra9275</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:20:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593502#M181140</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Was it wedge tailed eagles Debra?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:20:20 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593502#M181140</guid>
      <dc:creator>clair.de.lune</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:20:20Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593510#M181273</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I've never heard a windfarm in action.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Windbag yes. Plenty around here but not this thread - yet &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:23:54 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593510#M181273</guid>
      <dc:creator>buzzlightyearsgirlfriend</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:23:54Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593526#M181148</link>
      <description>Clair, I think it was some little honey eater type bird&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Lol Buzz</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:26:31 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593526#M181148</guid>
      <dc:creator>debra9275</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:26:31Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593528#M181149</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;img id="smileylol" class="emoticon emoticon-smileylol" src="https://community.ebay.com.au/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-lol.png" alt="Smiley LOL" title="Smiley LOL" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:27:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593528#M181149</guid>
      <dc:creator>cherry*135</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:27:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593530#M181150</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Don't know what the noise level is like, but I hear they pay pretty good for it to be on your property.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:27:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593530#M181150</guid>
      <dc:creator>nevynreally</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T10:27:27Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593684#M181196</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;** windfarm = wind farm&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:26:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593684#M181196</guid>
      <dc:creator>cherry*135</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T11:26:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593854#M181241</link>
      <description>I thought we were discussing the topic?&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I have a relative who gets paid very substantially for having a Telstra tower on their property, so you're probably right there</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:59:35 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593854#M181241</guid>
      <dc:creator>debra9275</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T11:59:35Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593952#M181268</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;We have them around here, yes the farmers are paid to have them on their properties, but very few of those landholders actually live on those properties. I feel very sorry for people that do live near them and have met two families that believe they suffer negatively from them.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;One of those families was from Victoria and they had moved from the family home after decades because of the effects on them from the turbines. Another couple that I've met were paid to have them years ago in the first installation, but certainly regret it now, they are an older couple and have been to the media, protests etc. They try to spend as little time at home as they can.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If you look into it, with the costs of building, running and maintaining the turbines they are not very economical and are heavily subsidised.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In answer to your question there is no way I'd want to live witihin a few miles of a windfarm. I believe they can be very detrimental to peoples health (depending on location/lay of the land) and if we are going to have them then put them offshore.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:35:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593952#M181268</guid>
      <dc:creator>cosmosgrove</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T12:35:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593976#M181272</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;was it the noise or just the sight of them Cosmo? I wouldn't like them near me either. Big scary looking things they are&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:42:15 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/593976#M181272</guid>
      <dc:creator>debra9275</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T12:42:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594012#M181281</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I think they look quite majestic and peaceful. Much more pleasant the plumes of smog.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The one near here has made a huge difference to the quality of our electricity service.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;We used to get brown outs and black outs frequently and don't anymore.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I haven't heard any of the people who live on the farms complain about them.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:57:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594012#M181281</guid>
      <dc:creator>freakiness</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T12:57:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594020#M181282</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;It's not even the audible noise that seems to be the problem, if you stand near them you feel them pulse through you. I think it's this that is more the problem, the relentlessness of it. They actually talk about the infrasound, so the noise you can't hear but still affects you. I don't think it's as simple as how close you live and has alot to do with how your dwelling is sited and impacted by the motion of the blades, so someone living directly under one may not be impacted as much as someone a km or two away.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;There has been plenty of coverage in the local paper over the years, both for and against. There is plenty of information on line re wind turbine syndrome, again both for and against. I believe the original hosts of the turbines signed confidentiality contracts, if they want there annual fee they don't speak out against them.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:00:18 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594020#M181282</guid>
      <dc:creator>cosmosgrove</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T13:00:18Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594028#M181284</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/668691"&gt;@freakiness&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;I think they look quite majestic and peaceful. Much more pleasant the plumes of smog.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The one near here has made a huge difference to the quality of our electricity service.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;We used to get brown outs and black outs frequently and don't anymore.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I haven't heard any of the people who live on the farms complain about them.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;I actually don't mind the look of them either. How large are the ones near you? The ones down here are very large and the next lot they are planning are even bigger again.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:02:00 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>cosmosgrove</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T13:02:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594030#M181285</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I've seen that on the tv Cosmos that some people feel that their health is affected. &amp;nbsp;I think it was headaches or migraines.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Whether it's true or just hysteria I don't know.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:03:26 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594030#M181285</guid>
      <dc:creator>j*oono</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T13:03:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594044#M181289</link>
      <description>I didn't realize that. A bit like the complaints about living near the electricity pylons then</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:26:29 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594044#M181289</guid>
      <dc:creator>debra9275</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T13:26:29Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Wind Farms</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Wind-Farms/m-p/594070#M181295</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;wind..........giggle&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:44:22 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>*mrgrizz*</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2013-08-03T13:44:22Z</dc:date>
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