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Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

windrake — Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:27:03 GMT

Anybody watch Lateline last night?? Wow, not really a fan of Malcom's but he destroyed Albo on the NBN & shone a light on the lies & cost.

He did very well considering he had to counter 2 opponents, Albo & Alberici.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3824057.htm

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

nero_bolt — Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:46:33 GMT

He sure did and Albo LIED and LIED but thats not unexpected from a Labor party member

Malcolm Turnbull, the Opposition’s communications spokesman, was very impressive in his debate with Deputy Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, despite persistent attempts by host Emma Alberici to cut him off at critical points.

During a debate on the NBN on ABC’s Lateline last night, Liberal communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull asked Mr Albanese to produce the latest business plan to back his claims on the strength of Labor’s policy.

“It is sitting on your desk,” Mr Turnbull said.

“The company gave it to you only a month or so ago.”

Mr Albanese responded: “That is not right. They have not produced the final business plan.”

Mr Turnbull said: “Oh, I see. Labor keeps the draft stamped on it so you don’t have to give it out before the election. You have got a confession from the company ... and you don’t want to let the public know.”

Mr Albanese said if the government had received it would have to go through cabinet and that could not occur in an caretaker election period.

Mr Turnbull said: “They have undoubtedly received it.”

Mr Albanese said: “No. We have not received the final business plan.”

UPDATE

Financial Review:

Communications Minister Anthony Albanese has admitted the government may not release NBN Co’s updated business plan until after the federal election on September 7, 2013.

the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission as well as internet service provider SingTel-Optus who have long stated that the NBN will be a government-owned monopoly. NBN Co sets wholesale prices and has set a $150 per month wholesale rate for 1Gbps services, on top of which retailers will have to pay access charges before adding a margin.

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

freddie*rooster — Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:49:26 GMT

I watched it and my opinion is Turnbull's bluff talk bought him unstuck and looking very silly, he obviously needs to get with the programme.

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

para-sights — Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:49:46 GMT

I thinkEmma Alberici ripped them both but Albo is a shocking speaker but still prefer Labors NBN speeds. Not sure Malcolm realises that 25 is great for a single user not a household all using the NBN at the same time.

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***super_nova*** — Mon, 12 Aug 2013 23:04:51 GMT

I do not think that Malcolm ripped Albo. Malcolm knows very well that the Labor NBN is the right thing to do, but the LNP need to be different, they cannot go to the election saying they will continue all ALP policies.
I am not going to be happy with the existing wiring to my house; everytime the outside temperature goes over 30 degrees it fails, I call the service, within day or so somebody gets up the pole, fiddles bit and sometimes it is better for a day or so, sometimes not. This past summer I had only internet access at night, sometimes. What is the cost in service call outs is anybody's guess. What is the cost to business would be staggering.

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

silverfaun — Mon, 12 Aug 2013 23:29:16 GMT

Obviously many on here didn't understand the debate last night & the outright lies & subterfuge from Labor.

Turnbull turned the screws on Albanese & Albanese was cornered.

Turnbull knows what he's talking about & the truth will come out after the election. They are hiding everything & lying to Australia every day. The VFBB Labor is always spruiking is only suitable for companies who need mega data or gov. departments & hospitals all that type of use.. The $20.000 per month that entails is something a suburban street dweller will never need or use.

They have the report but are lying about it to us, but that doesn't seem to bother many who are blinded by political bias to the detriment of the rest o the populace.

Frankly I'm tired of the to & fro of the politically blinded, to the truth of the disaster of Labor. Roll on Sept so they can go.

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

freakiness — Mon, 12 Aug 2013 23:34:15 GMT

@para-sights wrote:
I thinkEmma Alberici ripped them both but Albo is a shocking speaker but still prefer Labors NBN speeds. Not sure Malcolm realises that 25 is great for a single user not a household all using the NBN at the same time.

Especially when it's up to 25Mbps. In the UK people complain that at peak times the speed drops off to much.

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

lakeland27 — Mon, 12 Aug 2013 23:39:17 GMT

how could turnbull win on a false premise. fttn is a dog, ftth is a winner. there's no doubt of that except in the minds of blind loyalists and techno - challenged folks.

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

not_an_eloi — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 02:16:57 GMT

turnbull continues to mislead and lie on the nbn.

'he should be called on these untruths every time they dribble out of 'is lyin' mouth.

he didn't rip anybody, except for the gullible tools who believe what he says, and those

who don't understand what those lies are.

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

not_an_eloi — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 02:21:30 GMT

sad thing is, faun, turnbull does know, and knows how to manipulate the truth to fool those (like you) who don't

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

freakiness — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 02:58:24 GMT

typical Turdbull

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***super_nova*** — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:59:51 GMT

The $20.000 per month that entails something a suburban street dweller will never need or use.

You are forgetting that there are many businesses that are run from homes. My son in law has a very successfull software company, which he runs from wherever he is, he employes number of people, they all work from home in whatever country they live in - he has programmers in USA, Russia, Finland and some other countries. One of the reasons why my daughter and her husband went to live in Europe was that it was difficult to operate his business in Melbourne due to the pathetic broadband service.

Think back few years ago how little bandwidth we needed for what we were doing, now we are all using 10x (if not more) what we were using then, and we pay less for it. As the technology is coming up with more and more applications, we will all need more and more bandwidth, and it will continue to be getting cheaper and cheaper.

The benefits will far outweigh the costs in the long run. That is the problem with the LNP, they have no foresight, they are only interested in winning the next election.

As far as cost goes; well, name one giant important project that did not run over budget, and name one of these projects that we now say it would have been better if they were not done.

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 04:25:17 GMT

I'm a bit confused. As I understand it, in some regions customers are already connected to NBN via fibre to the premises. If the LNP get in, will they disconnect thosese customers and reconnect them via fibre to the node, so everyone is on the same service, or will we end up with a two tier system where some customers have fibre to the premises, while newer ones end up with the slower fibre to the node service..

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

freakiness — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 04:27:43 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
I'm a bit confused. As I understand it, in some regions customers are already connected to NBN via fibre to the premises. If the LNP get in, will they disconnect thosese customers and reconnect them via fibre to the node, so everyone is on the same service, or will we end up with a two tier system where some customers have fibre to the premises, while newer ones end up with the slower fibre to the node service..

We will end up with the haves and have nots.

There is a chance the haves will get hit up for extra expense as their service is superior to the old copper from the node. Turnbull has gone so far as to say that any copper that needs replacing will be replaced with new copper, not fibre.

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

***super_nova*** — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:01:29 GMT

I would imagine that once you are connected you are in, they will not be replacing the fibre with copper. And as far as I know those people who got their free connection are paying very reasonable amount for their access - something like $30 a months. Although that is not for the top speed, it is still a big improvement on what they had before.

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

freakiness — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:06:18 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
I would imagine that once you are connected you are in, they will not be replacing the fibre with copper. And as far as I know those people who got their free connection are paying very reasonable amount for their access - something like $30 a months. Although that is not for the top speed, it is still a big improvement on what they had before.

It depends on the plan and the RSP.

I like internode so I don't have the cheapest plans but I'm extremely happy with the plans I have and It costs me half as much as the old service and I save another $80 per month by not needing a traditional phone service.

My daughter in Canberra stayed with Telstra as they have a bundle with mobiles and Foxtel. She's happy as their service is way better and it's cheaper than their dodgy ADSL was. Other daughter on interim satellite is saving a lot compared to the ABG sat service and has a larger quota.

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

para-sights — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:22:02 GMT

@freakiness wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
I'm a bit confused. As I understand it, in some regions customers are already connected to NBN via fibre to the premises. If the LNP get in, will they disconnect thosese customers and reconnect them via fibre to the node, so everyone is on the same service, or will we end up with a two tier system where some customers have fibre to the premises, while newer ones end up with the slower fibre to the node service..
We will end up with the haves and have nots.
There is a chance the haves will get hit up for extra expense as their service is superior to the old copper from the node. Turnbull has gone so far as to say that any copper that needs replacing will be replaced with new copper, not fibre.

Not to mention there may even be more of a spin off effect where houses/rentals will jack up their prices because they are in 100 speed zones

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

purplecarrot-top — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:38:09 GMT

We are house sitting 34 kilometres out of Hobart. Relying on wireless broadband. I just took an hour to load and watch a film clip. We need the NBN. It will be faster better and more reliable and hopefully less will rely on wireless broadband.

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

not_an_eloi — Wed, 14 Aug 2013 02:52:52 GMT

how's burnbull's flamin' lies, $20,000 per month for a 1Gbps residential (any household, that is) NBN fibre connection

Re: Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

freakiness — Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:15:39 GMT

Nice summary of the argument from lateline

http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=3255

The Lateline debate held on Monday between Malcolm Turnbull & Anthony Albanese was met with both anticipation & trepidation from National Broadband Network supporters. We were all excited to finally see the NBN take centre stage for a debate, & were cautious of both Turnbull’s history of becoming belligerent when challenged, & Albanese’s being so new to the job.

It seems, both were well founded, with Turnbull resorting to arrogant overtones early on, & Albanese getting some basic figures wrong. Emma Alberici, the host, attempted to maintain control, however the utter disrespect Turnbull has for anyone who asks pertinent question prevented any semblance of a rational debate forming.