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Peopls Smugglers Already Making New Plans.

icyfroth — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 00:38:33 GMT

Good Morning All.

Oh well we had a few refreshingly light-hearted threads yesterdayn now back to politics lol

"For between $US15,000 ($16,350) and $US25,000 per person - three to five times the average boat fare - they will fly them from Indonesia to Thailand or Malaysia, then to Australia on a genuine but altered passport, probably from Europe.

The smugglers say their proposal avoids the Papua New Guinea solution and the opposition's temporary resettlement plan."

Fly In Smuggle Plan

Iranian Binai Abdu Samad said many people ''already came here [to Indonesia] with illegal passports … now a smuggler is saying, 'We'll prepare for you a tourist visa.'

''When you get to Australia, you cut the passport and go to immigration and say I am a refugee. They can't send you back then,'' he said. ''And you will get a lawyer with the smuggler's help.''

Another young Iranian, Ali Bahrani, agreed: ''Some of the single people from Pakistan now are just talking about this.'' He had heard a price of $US25,000 and said it was designed because ''in Australia, the rules are just for boats''.

Because the sums are so large, the money would be held in a trust with a third party and released to the smuggler only when the asylum seeker was on Australian territory.

It's all just business as usual isn't it?

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polksaladallie — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 00:43:22 GMT

Asylum seekers (and others who are illegal) have been flying in for years and years.

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purplecarrot-top — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 00:45:21 GMT

Most illegals come by plane. Overstay their visas and just disappear. So nothing new.

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polksaladallie — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 00:48:59 GMT

@purplecarrot-top wrote:
Most illegals come by plane. Overstay their visas and just disappear. So nothing new.

Most "legals" come by plane also.

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freakiness — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 00:51:41 GMT

Beats me why people coming by boat are demonised in the way they are when we could not fill the seats at the MCG with them. More people go to one footy final than have come by boats in the past 10 years.

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not_an_eloi — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 03:41:24 GMT

burke and morrison, both, reckon this story is flamin' rubbish

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-18/tony-burke-rubbishes-fairfax-asylum-seeker-report/4894754

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the_great_she_elephant — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:31:11 GMT

@polksaladallie wrote:
Asylum seekers (and others who are illegal) have been flying in for years and years.

And at least coming by plane is a lot safer than coming in a leaky boat.

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poddster — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:30:20 GMT

At what cost?

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acacia_pycnantha — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:07:26 GMT

So now we can expect a better class of refugee?

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polksaladallie — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:20:48 GMT

@acacia_pycnantha wrote:
"For between $US15,000 ($16,350) and $US25,000 per person - three to five times the average boat fare - they will fly them from Indonesia to Thailand or Malaysia, then to Australia on a genuine but altered passport, probably from Europe.

So now we can expect a better class of refugee?

How does the amount of money paid translate to "class"? Wealthy people can be shot or hacked to death too.

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moderatemolly — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:35:14 GMT

@polksaladallie wrote:

How does the amount of money paid translate to "class"? Wealthy people can be shot or hacked to death too.

Yes, but it appears they are not allowed to use any of that wealth the save themselves or their families.

I always thought I was working hard and accumulating wealth for my family, but it appears not. I wonder what the refugee haters would do if they were in that position? I suppose they would just form an orderly queue?

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polksaladallie — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:41:54 GMT

@moderatemolly wrote:
@polksaladallie wrote:

How does the amount of money paid translate to "class"? Wealthy people can be shot or hacked to death too.
Yes, but it appears they are not allowed to use any of that wealth the save themselves or their families.

I always thought I was working hard and accumulating wealth for my family, but it appears not. I wonder what the refugee haters would do if they were in that position? I suppose they would just form an orderly queue?

Of course, and leave their money in the bank.

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twinkles**stars — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:52:47 GMT

@polksaladallie wrote:
Asylum seekers (and others who are illegal) have been flying in for years and years.

Asylum seeking is NOT illegal

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polksaladallie — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:06:38 GMT

@twinkles**stars wrote:
@polksaladallie wrote:
Asylum seekers (and others who are illegal) have been flying in for years and years.
Asylum seeking is NOT illegal

Who said they were? Read it again.

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twinkles**stars — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:09:26 GMT

hmmmm you did 🙂

Asylum seekers (and others who are illegal)

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polksaladallie — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:12:42 GMT

@twinkles**stars wrote:
hmmmm you did 🙂

Asylum seekers (and others who are illegal)

No I didn't, read it again.

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twinkles**stars — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:15:27 GMT

You are insinuating that they are illegal....

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polksaladallie — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:19:51 GMT

@twinkles**stars wrote:
You are insinuating that they are illegal....

Do you understand the purpose of brackets? Do you understand why the word "and" is used? Did you read the many posts before?

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izabsmiling — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:23:16 GMT

Sorry Allie, but the 'and others' kind of reads to me as though the asylum seekers are illegals 'as well' .

I actually thought that when I read it earlier.I know that you wouldn't mean it to read that way though

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twinkles**stars — Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:23:19 GMT

Oh please bring back the ignore feature!