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YET another RUDD UNCOSTED DESPERATE THOUGHT BUBBLE

nero_bolt — Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:55:57 GMT

Rudd's pledge to move navy from Garden Island 'a threat to NSW economy'

NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell has lashed Kevin Rudd's surprise pledge to move navy warships from Sydney's Garden Island to northern Australia as a threat to the state's economy.

The Prime Minister says the move is part of a long-term plan to modernise the navy and respond to defence and security priorities.

But the announcement, which has been costed at $6 billion, is a policy u-turn for Labor, with Julia Gillard's 2013 defence white paper deciding against the move.

Mr O'Farrell says a 2011 review found Garden Island injected $470 million a year into the NSW economy and employed 6700 people, including up to 4000 jobs at the naval base.

"My concern today waking up to this news, without any advice beforehand, off the back of a defence review that said 'don't change the current arrangements', is this is going to be devastating for those families whose loved ones work there," he told ABC radio.

And it's going to be devastating for the state's economy."

Mr O'Farrell said even if Garden Island was used for tourism, it would never support the number of defence and private industry jobs associated with the base.

Coalition frontbencher Christopher Pyne dismissed the idea as another "Kevin Rudd thought bubble."

"It's entirely uncosted," he told ABC radio.

"It could cost anything up to several billion dollars and cost several thousand jobs in NSW."

Mr Rudd was revealing more details of his proposal to move the navy north over time, in a speech to the Lowy Institute in Sydney on Tuesday.

He says there are many reasons for a relocation.

"Of course the Port of Brisbane is a big port, the Port of Brisbane also has the great advantage strategically of the proximity of the army base at Enoggera, as does Townsville with the close location of Lavarack barracks," he told ABC radio.

Malcolm Turnbull said he would be sorry to see the navy leave Sydney's Garden Island, which is located in his se

at of Wentworth.

He said the decision represented a complete U-turn after the ''realistic'' advice of the White Paper and was just a desperate bid by Mr Rudd for votes in Queensland.

''This is just another desperate effort to shore up support in Queensland and it's another empty promise, uncosted,'' Mr Turnbull told ABC radio.

''Why is Rudd making this announcement today?

''It's obvious that he is worried about losing seats in Queensland.

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freakiness — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 01:01:52 GMT

Talk about over reaction.

It's a task force that is going to look at Garden Island and then make a decision.

Who did you plagiarise today?

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not_an_eloi — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:41:35 GMT

just the mule, who arrives every day, to put out the garbage.

wot's the bet o'ferrell got straight on the phone to developer/investors to figure out

how much 'e could pocket out of this new deal.

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kengillard — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:49:57 GMT

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poddster — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:20:15 GMT

Another Rudd Opus Desperandum, knowing he wont be around to deliver or even do a "study" on it.

These antics are so transparent it beggers belief

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newstart2380 — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:33:17 GMT

@nero_wulf wrote:
Rudd's pledge to move navy from Garden Island 'a threat to NSW economy'

NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell has lashed Kevin Rudd's surprise pledge to move navy warships from Sydney's Garden Island to northern Australia as a threat to the state's economy.

The Prime Minister says the move is part of a long-term plan to modernise the navy and respond to defence and security priorities.

But the announcement, which has been costed at $6 billion, is a policy u-turn for Labor, with Julia Gillard's 2013 defence white paper deciding against the move.

Mr O'Farrell says a 2011 review found Garden Island injected $470 million a year into the NSW economy and employed 6700 people, including up to 4000 jobs at the naval base.

"My concern today waking up to this news, without any advice beforehand, off the back of a defence review that said 'don't change the current arrangements', is this is going to be devastating for those families whose loved ones work there," he told ABC radio.

And it's going to be devastating for the state's economy."

Mr O'Farrell said even if Garden Island was used for tourism, it would never support the number of defence and private industry jobs associated with the base.

Coalition frontbencher Christopher Pyne dismissed the idea as another "Kevin Rudd thought bubble."

"It's entirely uncosted," he told ABC radio.

"It could cost anything up to several billion dollars and cost several thousand jobs in NSW."

Mr Rudd was revealing more details of his proposal to move the navy north over time, in a speech to the Lowy Institute in Sydney on Tuesday.

He says there are many reasons for a relocation.

"Of course the Port of Brisbane is a big port, the Port of Brisbane also has the great advantage strategically of the proximity of the army base at Enoggera, as does Townsville with the close location of Lavarack barracks," he told ABC radio.

Malcolm Turnbull said he would be sorry to see the navy leave Sydney's Garden Island, which is located in his se
at of Wentworth.

He said the decision represented a complete U-turn after the ''realistic'' advice of the White Paper and was just a desperate bid by Mr Rudd for votes in Queensland.

''This is just another desperate effort to shore up support in Queensland and it's another empty promise, uncosted,'' Mr Turnbull told ABC radio.

''Why is Rudd making this announcement today?

''It's obvious that he is worried about losing seats in Queensland.

I think he is just trying to stop the boats, poor Mr Sheen can't get anything right

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not_an_eloi — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:43:19 GMT

uncosted = national liberal party policies

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newstart2380 — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:45:42 GMT

@not_an_eloi wrote:
uncosted = national liberal party policies

What ?

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nero_bolt — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:53:43 GMT

A typical RUDD thought bubble that no one except Rudd knew about.

IN a Harbourside showdown, NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell has lashed out at Prime Minister Kevin Rudd over a $6 billion proposal to move Navy ships from Garden Island.

The pair met 'by chance' at Mrs Macquarie's chair as Mr Rudd was leaving a media conference.

"A phone call would have been nice...4000 (Navy) jobs," Mr O'Farrell said to Mr Rudd.

"Your predecessor knew how to share, her predecessor knew how to share. You should learn to share."

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not_an_eloi — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:21:30 GMT

to which rudd rightly replied

it's a matter of national security.

you've said you wanted more cruise ships

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i-need-a-martini — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:57:53 GMT

Anybody seen the number of cruise ships trying to dock in Sydney Harbour lately? Half the time they have to dock at Garden Island anyway because the international shipping terminal is loaded. Plus the cruise ships are getting bigger and bigger so Garden Island is often their only choice.

I thought it was a great idea and I am surprised O'Farrell isn't seeing the dollar potential for his government.

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kengillard — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:59:24 GMT

He's at it again...............sick to death of his prevarications......wish I could say what I really think.

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lakeland27 — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:02:19 GMT

me too, but for entirely different reasons,

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freakiness — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:21:40 GMT

@lakeland27 wrote:
me too, but for entirely different reasons,

Beats me how anyone can think it's a bad idea to get the task force to look at this.

Perhaps Abbott was going to say the same tomorrow and got beaten to it.

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lakeland27 — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:26:59 GMT

@freakiness wrote:
@lakeland27 wrote:
me too, but for entirely different reasons,
Beats me how anyone can think it's a bad idea to get the task force to look at this.
Perhaps Abbott was going to say the same tomorrow and got beaten to it.

his point about the region is valid. asia is the region where our navy operates (except when its guarding someones oil in the gulf)

so a point of deployment.. a more northerly base makes complete sense.

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freakiness — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:35:14 GMT

@lakeland27 wrote:
@freakiness wrote:
@lakeland27 wrote:
me too, but for entirely different reasons,
Beats me how anyone can think it's a bad idea to get the task force to look at this.
Perhaps Abbott was going to say the same tomorrow and got beaten to it.
his point about the region is valid. asia is the region where our navy operates (except when its guarding someones oil in the gulf)
so a point of deployment.. a more northerly base makes complete sense.

Plus what they were saying about the cruise ships means as many jobs will come as will go in Sydney, if not more.

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windrake — Wed, 28 Aug 2013 02:16:46 GMT

Poor Kevin, the forced smile stuck his face like a rictus, gladhanding O'Farrell then WHAM, knocked out in one punch, then he had to scurry away like a beaten dog.

What's he going to "announce" today?? invade Syria? this man is a dangerous, we all know it , Labor know it but it's what they chose so they will go down with him.

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polksaladallie — Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:21:11 GMT

@windrake wrote:
Poor Kevin, the forced smile stuck his face like a rictus, gladhanding O'Farrell then WHAM, knocked out in one punch, then he had to scurry away like a beaten dog.

What's he going to "announce" today?? invade Syria? this man is a dangerous lunatic, we all know it , Labor know it but it's what they chose so they will go down with him.

The radio told me this mornng that there is almost surely going to be a USA air strike on Syria by Wednesday. So I would think that the PM would have to tell us at some time.