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Ballina Flouride Vote Has Experts Worried

icyfroth — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 05:16:45 GMT

Ballina will vote on Thursday on whether to reject fluoridation of its water supply. If it does, it will join nearby Lismore Council and 17 Queensland councils that have voted no to fluoride this year.

Children living in parts of northern NSW without fluoridation already have the worst teeth in the state. They have nearly double the number of decayed, missing and filled teeth compared with other children, according to the most recent dental health survey.

Some anti-fluoride activists, such as Merilyn Haines, the president of Queenslanders for Safe Water Air and Food, argue that fluoride is a poison that is used as an insectide to kill roaches and ants.

But Ballina Council member Keith Williams, who proposed the motion, said he saw it as a human rights issue.

“I don't dispute the scientific evidence of dentistry that it prevents cavities, but I don't believe it is appropriate to add a medication to the water supply without everybody's consent.”

He does have a point there. There's something sinister about a government putting poison in your drinking water and telling the public it's for their own good.

Still, I've been drinking flourodised water here in Sydney for years and it hasn't done me any harm, and I still have my own teeth, albeit with lots of fillings, lol.

Surely the rise in tooth decay in children in the last few decades can't be solely due to unflourodised bottled water!?

Are we taking into account that children are drinking more soft drinks and juices and less water than ever before?

Should councils flourodise drinking water?

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jean2579 — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 05:21:46 GMT

There was a similar movement here in the Coffs Harbour region a few years back. Fortunately the Council decided to go ahead . There are still rumblings in the local press on a regular basis.

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***super_nova*** — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 05:23:46 GMT

Should councils flourodise drinking water?

Absolutely, the eveidence of benefit is overwhelming.

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twinkles**stars — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 05:34:41 GMT

read up on the dangers of flouride.....

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polksaladallie — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 05:36:05 GMT

@twinkles**stars wrote:
read up on the dangers of flouride.....

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icyfroth — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 06:20:53 GMT

From Flouride Action Alert

10 Facts About Flouride

Fact #3

Fluoridation advocates have long claimed that the safety of fluoridation is beyond scientific debate.[6] However, according to the well-known toxicologist, Dr. John Doull, who chaired the National Academy of Science’s review on fluoride, the safety of fluoridation remains “unsettled” and “we have much less information than we should, considering how long it has been going on.”[7] In 2006, Doull’s committee at the NAS published an exhaustive 500-page review of fluoride’s toxicity.[8] The report concludes that fluoride is an “endocrine disruptor” and can affect many things in the body, including the bones, the brain, the thyroid gland, the pineal gland, and even blood sugar levels.[9]

Far from giving fluoride a clean bill of health, the NAS called upon scientists to investigate if current fluoride exposures in the United States are contributing to chronic health problems, like bone disorders, thyroid disease, low intelligence, dementia, and diabetes, particularly in people who are most vulnerable to fluoride’s effects.[10] These recommendations highlight that—despite 60 years of fluoridation—many of the basic studies necessary for determining the program’s safety have yet to be conducted.

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twinkles**stars — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 06:47:33 GMT

Not really laughable is it? Why do you think childrens toothpaste doesn't contain flouride?

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-study-fluoride-can-damage-the-brain---avoid-use-in-children-124299299.html

NEW YORK, June 21, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- "The prolonged ingestion of fluoride may cause significant damage to health and particularly to the nervous system," concludes a review of studies by researchers Valdez-Jimenez, et al. published in Neurologia (June 2011), reports New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc. (NYSCOF).

The research team reports, "It is important to be aware of this serious problem and avoid the use of toothpaste and items that contain fluoride, particularly in children as they are more susceptible to the toxic effects of fluoride." (1)

"Fluoride can be toxic by ingesting one part per million (ppm), and the effects are not immediate, as they can take 20 years or more to become evident," they write.

Most fluoridating U.S. public drinking water suppliers add fluoride chemicals to deliver 1 ppm fluoride (equal to about 1 milligram per quart) intending to benefit teeth and not to purify the water.

"Fluoridation clearly jeopardizes our children and must be stopped," says attorney Paul Beeber, President, NYSCOF. "We can actually see how fluoride has damaged children's teeth with dental fluorosis; but we can't see the harm it's doing to their brains and other organs. No U.S. researcher is even looking," says Beeber.

Valdez-Jimenez, et al. describe studies that show fluoride induces changes in the brain's physical structure and biochemistry which affects the neurological and mental development of individuals including cognitive processes, such as learning and memory.

"Fluoride is capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier, which may cause biochemical and functional changes in the nervous system during pregnancy, since the fluoride accumulates in brain tissue before birth," they write.*

Animal studies show fluoride's toxic brain effects include classic brain abnormalities found in patients with Alzheimer's disease, Valdez-Jimenez's team reports.

A different research team (Tang et al.) reported in 2008 that "A qualitative review of the studies found a consistent and strong association between the exposure to fluoride and low IQ." (Biological Trace Element Research) (2)

In 2006, the U.S. National Research Council's (NRC) expert fluoride panel reviewed fluoride toxicology and concluded, "It's apparent that fluorides have the ability to interfere with the functions of the brain." And, "Fluorides also increase the production of free radicals in the brain through several different biological pathways. These changes have a bearing on the possibility that fluorides act to increase the risk of developing Alzheimer's disease." (3)

On April 12, 2010, Time magazine listed fluoride as one of the "Top Ten Common Household Toxins" and described fluoride as both "neurotoxic and potentially tumorigenic if swallowed." (4)

Phyllis Mullenix, Ph.D., was the first U.S. scientist to find evidence that fluoride damages the brain. She published her animal study in a respected peer-reviewed scientific journal in 1995 (5) and then was fired for doing so.(6)

Vyvyan Howard, M.D., Ph.D., a prominent fetal toxicologist and past-President of the International Society of Doctors for the Environment, said that current brain/fluoride research convinces him that we should stop water fluoridation.

Many communities have stopped or rejected fluoridation in the past several years – the most recent is Fairbanks, Alaska. This year, seven New York City Council Members co-sponsored legislation to stop fluoridation in NYC.

*Translated from Spanish using Google Translation

References: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/fluoridation-news-releases/rD7pCONMcLw/discussion

Contact: Paul Beeber, JD, 516-433-8882 nyscof@aol.com
http://www.FluorideAction.Net
http://www.fluoridation.webs.com

SOURCE NYS Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation

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twinkles**stars — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 06:53:49 GMT

Harvard Study Finds Fluoride Lowers IQ

By Dr. Mercola

Fluoride is added to 70 percent of U.S. public drinking water supplies to aid in the prevention of cavities.
This benefit is dubious at best, as there is practically no difference in tooth decay rates between fluoridated and non-fluoridated countries, and no difference between states that fluoridate a high versus low percentage of their water.
Yet, while fluoride in drinking water does NOT decrease rates of tooth decay, numerous studies show that this chemical has a wide array of devastating health effects – one of them being lowered IQ.

Yet Another Study Links Fluoride to Lower IQ Levels

A review of brain studies involving the use of fluoride has concluded that one of the adverse effects of fluoride exposure on children is damage to their neurological development.1 According to the Harvard researchers, children who lived in high-fluoride areas had “significantly lower IQ than those in low fluoride areas,” with the authors noting:

“The results support the possibility of an adverse effect of high fluoride exposure on children's neurodevelopment.“

This just adds to the growing number of animal and human studies demonstrating the damage fluoride inflicts on your brain, including your pineal gland. The results of one study looking at children’s intelligence in two towns – one with fluoridated water and one without – were particularly revealing, with about 28 percent of the children in the low-fluoride area scoring as “bright, normal or higher intelligence” compared to only 8 percent in the high-fluoride area.2

Further, 15 percent of children in the high-fluoride city had signs of mental retardation, compared with only 6 percent in the low-fluoride city. And the study even accounted for other potential variables, such as lead exposure, iodine deficiency or a history of brain disease or head injury. There have been over 23 human studies and 100 animal studies linking fluoride to brain damage. This includes such effects as:3

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monman12 — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:01:08 GMT

"without everybody's consent." ???????

How about a simple majority based upon information from bodies such as the Australian Dental Association, and not people (nuts) without clinical expertise.

"There's something sinister about a government putting poison in your drinking water and telling the public it's for their own good." that is absolute rubbish IF.

Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has recognised community water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century.

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icyfroth — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:09:48 GMT

@monman12 wrote:
"without everybody's consent." ???????
How about a simple majority based upon information from bodies such as the Australian Dental Association, and not people (nuts) without clinical expertise.

"There's something sinister about a government putting poison in your drinking water and telling the public it's for their own good." that is absolute rubbish IF.

Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has recognised community water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century.
nɥºɾ

Really?

Yet tooth decay is on the rise, not in decline. Do you really think it's because kids drink bottled water?Have you even tried to give kids water to drink?

Most mums give thier kids soft drink, juices, cordial or flavoured milk.

That's not even taking the amount of sugar in our diet.

I think the benefits of flouride are dubious.

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icyfroth — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:11:23 GMT

@monman12 wrote:
"without everybody's consent." ???????
How about a simple majority based upon information from bodies such as the Australian Dental Association, and not people (nuts) without clinical expertise.

"There's something sinister about a government putting poison in your drinking water and telling the public it's for their own good." that is absolute rubbish IF.

Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has recognised community water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century.
nɥºɾ

Really?

Yet tooth decay is on the rise, not in decline. Do you really think it's because kids drink bottled water?Have you even tried to give kids water to drink?

Most mums give thier kids soft drink, juices, cordial or flavoured milk.

That's not even taking the amount of sugar in our diet into account

I think the benefits of flouride are dubious.

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polksaladallie — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:11:49 GMT

@twinkles**stars wrote:
Not really laughable is it? Why do you think childrens toothpaste doesn't contain flouride?

Don't know if it contains flouride, but it does contain fluoride.

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polksaladallie — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:14:43 GMT

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***super_nova*** — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:16:59 GMT

Yes, there are many nutters around pretending they are scientists; all the "studies" that claim dangers of fluoride have been discredited. It is the same people who are against vaccinations, some bought their doctorates for $200 on the internet.

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twinkles**stars — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:17:13 GMT

@polksaladallie wrote:
@twinkles**stars wrote:
Not really laughable is it? Why do you think childrens toothpaste doesn't contain flouride?

Don't know if it contains flouride, but it does contain fluoride.

? That doesn't make any sense. But, childrens toothpaste does NOT contain it.

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twinkles**stars — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:18:18 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
Yes, there are many nutters around pretending they are scientists; all the "studies" that claim dangers of fluoride have been discredited. It is the same people who are against vaccinations, some bought their doctorates for $200 on the internet.

You have some evidence to support that statement?

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the_hawk* — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:22:19 GMT

A little light reading about how great it is

http://www.google.com.au/#fp=b95894ec74a7282e&q=hitler+fluoride

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twinkles**stars — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:22:25 GMT

Self apppointed spelling police Polks? 🙂 I wasn't aware that we had to spell check, check grammer etc

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purple_haize — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:24:00 GMT

My grandkids have toothpaste with no flouride in it, DD buys it in a health food shop.

I use tooth paste with no flouride in it, which I prefer.

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polksaladallie — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:30:39 GMT

@twinkles**stars wrote:
@polksaladallie wrote:
@twinkles**stars wrote:
Not really laughable is it? Why do you think childrens toothpaste doesn't contain flouride?

Don't know if it contains flouride, but it does contain fluoride.
? That doesn't make any sense. But, childrens toothpaste does NOT contain it.

Yes it does. Well, most, if you want to argue the point.

http://pediatrics.about.com/cs/pediatricadvice/a/dental_health.htm

.Keep in mind that most brands of kids' toothpaste are fluoridated.