topic Re: we are 28th in the world in internet speed :( in Community Spirit

we are 28th in the world in internet speed :(

***super_nova*** — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:04:36 GMT

And we can only hope that the LNP will change their minds, will listen to reason and implement the NBN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDQY1upYFfI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5aFEhTyNjc

and for those who do not understand how much difference it would make, and are unsure about the bits and bytes, and the difference between FTTP and FTTN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1REhLC8lKo

Re: we are 28th in the world in internet speed :(

crystal**flake — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:43:05 GMT

This is one thing I really dont care about.

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lakeland27 — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:49:45 GMT

there are businesses in this rollout area who have spent considerable amounts of money preparing for a promised fibre connection, and i suspect the case is the same in other areas where it was promised. abbotts ant- business stance is nonsensical, and at odds with his own partys pro-business stance. his only real reason is to make any labor policy fail as an issue of partisan stupidity.. the cost of his 'plan' will exceed labors by many billions in the long term.

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monman12 — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:53:34 GMT

So show us some references and not UTube nonsense. I think that "your" 28th is quite fair considering that we do not have a NBN, yet!

"the drop could have been the result of our regional neighbours getting broadband at a faster rate than we are."

The above is to be expected with the snail-pace roll-out of the current NBN

Australia's land-mass is also overlooked when it comes to discussing the country's comparative internet speeds.

(just 4.1 per cent of Aussie internet users were downloading content at speeds greater than 10 megabits per second - the speed required to stream 720p high-definition movies.)

So what speed do you want, and what will you use it for?

nɥºɾ

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daydream**believer — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:55:12 GMT

From what i understood, the Labor plan would take 10+ years to fulfil and cost heaps.

The Liberal plan would take less time and cost less and only be a little slower in internet speed than the Labor plan.

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lakeland27 — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:58:09 GMT

@daydream**believer wrote:
From what i understood, the Labor plan would take 10+ years to fulfil and cost heaps.
The Liberal plan would take less time and cost less and only be a little slower in internet speed than the Labor plan.

the maintenance costs will see it exceed the cost of a genuine fibre network . totally pointless except for electioneering. turnbull himself puts his money into fibre networks overseas, he's laughing at us.

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daydream**believer — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:58:43 GMT

All i know is, in the last 5 years my internet has been rubbish due to faulty cables. It stops working when it rains and it stops working when my phone rings. And they wont be replaced because, some day, some government is going to replace them all with something else anyway.

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lakeland27 — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:00:47 GMT

@daydream**believer wrote:
All i know is, in the last 5 years my internet has been rubbish due to faulty cables. It stops working when it rains and it stops working when my phone rings. And they wont be replaced because, some day, some government is going to replace them all with something else anyway.

thats an australia-wide problem. fibre would see it gone.

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daydream**believer — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:01:42 GMT

yeh, but how long would i have to continue to wait for it

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monman12 — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:05:51 GMT

LL: " the cost of his 'plan' will exceed labors by many billions in the long term."

Show us a balance sheet to confirm that LL (assuming you can find NBN costings for the next decade)

What speed do you think businesses (including the 750,000 small ones) require to operate, assuming they are not watching streaming HD 720p TV all the time?

nɥºɾ

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lakeland27 — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:07:33 GMT

@daydream**believer wrote:
yeh, but how long would i have to continue to wait for it

depends on location. atm, who knows ?

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lakeland27 — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:09:42 GMT

@monman12 wrote:
LL: " the cost of his 'plan' will exceed labors by many billions in the long term."

Show us a balance sheet to confirm that LL (assuming you can find NBN costings for the next decade)
What speed do you think businesses (including the 750,000 small ones) require to operate, assuming they are not watching streaming HD 720p TV all the time?
nɥºɾ

the balance sheet of a little thought will do just fine. degraded copper needs maintenance on a regular basis. that means materials /wages. and a revisit of the entire network on a regular basis. you do the math.

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freakiness — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:11:50 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:

And we can only hope that the LNP will change their minds, will listen to reason and implement the NBN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDQY1upYFfI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5aFEhTyNjc
and for those who do not understand how much difference it would make, and are unsure about the bits and bytes, and the difference between FTTP and FTTN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1REhLC8lKo

Such surveys fail to account for the lack of availability of any decent broadband for so many.

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn

up to 245,000 now.

Turnbull promoted a change.org petition for NSW state gov to change their mind on the helipad affecting his view of Sydney Harbour and has a hissy fit over a FTTP petition.

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lakeland27 — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:12:24 GMT

@lakeland27 wrote:
@monman12 wrote:
LL: " the cost of his 'plan' will exceed labors by many billions in the long term."

Show us a balance sheet to confirm that LL (assuming you can find NBN costings for the next decade)
What speed do you think businesses (including the 750,000 small ones) require to operate, assuming they are not watching streaming HD 720p TV all the time?
nɥºɾ

the balance sheet of a little thought will do just fine. degraded copper needs maintenance on a regular basis. that means materials /wages. and a revisit of the entire network on a regular basis. you do the math.

i admit to being influenced by non-partisan media analysts. like you , i only read genuine expert opinion.unlike you i have no vested interest. do you think i should 'get in' to telstra shares ?

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freakiness — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:15:15 GMT

@daydream**believer wrote:
From what i understood, the Labor plan would take 10+ years to fulfil and cost heaps.
The Liberal plan would take less time and cost less and only be a little slower in internet speed than the Labor plan.

I suspect you have been sold the not quite right facts spruiked by News Corp and repeated by most of the news outlets on radio and TV.

You area is due to get the NBN very soon.

More than likely both plans will take about the same amount of time. The current plan is less expensive for users and when adding the money spent the cost of the build is not much different either.

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freakiness — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:19:48 GMT

@daydream**believer wrote:
All i know is, in the last 5 years my internet has been rubbish due to faulty cables. It stops working when it rains and it stops working when my phone rings. And they wont be replaced because, some day, some government is going to replace them all with something else anyway.

Under the coalition plan they won't be replaced. The fibre goes to the node and your copper lines remain until such time it's proved they are faulty.

Have you looked ont he roll out map?

A huge chunk of the suburbs near you are under construction and those next door would be next.

As NBN was not started 5 years ago they and the previous govt. can't be held responsible.

There are some interesting sites out there with facts.

The best you can do while waiting is when your net drops out lift the phone off the hook and replace it. Apparently this works often, so a Telstra Tech told me.

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freakiness — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:20:58 GMT

@monman12 wrote:
So show us some references and not UTube nonsense. I think that "your" 28th is quite fair considering that we do not have a NBN, yet!

"the drop could have been the result of our regional neighbours getting broadband at a faster rate than we are."
The above is to be expected with the snail-pace roll-out of the current NBN

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/state-of-the-internet-australia-web-speeds-ranking-dwindles-to-40th-place-globally/story-e6frfro0-1226560992748#ixzz2f12s1t4K

Australia's land-mass is also overlooked when it comes to discussing the country's comparative internet speeds.

(just 4.1 per cent of Aussie internet users were downloading content at speeds greater than 10 megabits per second - the speed required to stream 720p high-definition movies.)

So what speed do you want, and what will you use it for?

nɥºɾ

Claiming the roll out is going at snails pace is just rubbish and you know it.

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freakiness — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:27:56 GMT

@daydream**believer wrote:
From what i understood, the Labor plan would take 10+ years to fulfil and cost heaps.
The Liberal plan would take less time and cost less and only be a little slower in internet speed than the Labor plan.

Further, the Liberal plan will not be a little slower. It will be hundreds of times slower and won't be as reliable or offer the same quality from premises to premises, street to street.

http://www.buddeblog.com.au/frompaulsdesk/hello-from-europe-travelogue-broadband-experiences/

When staying or visiting people in their homes some interesting observations can be made. There, without any doubt, the quality of the service is better in the developed economies than in the developing economies. But services vary greatly. Some houses already have FttH – I think I have encountered that a dozen times – and the quality there is always good. Mostly, however, there are cable or DSL connections and here again the service varies widely from street to street, suburb to suburb. But as I am finding out this week in the Netherlands, where I am at the moment, the HFC 50MB/s service fluctuates during the day, with sometimes getting worse than my 4-8MB/s in Bucketty.

Prices remain the most puzzling. In the USA a 50Mb/s can cost you $50 in one town and exactly the same service $100 in another place from another provider. Obviously lack of real and effective competition is an issue here. Also here in the Netherlands the 50MB/s I am using costs $135 (including pay TV), a new competitive service that is being launched now offer a similar service for less that half this price.

In general terms the reality of broadband access and broadband quality depends more on a very local situation. If you are in the right place, perfect services; two streets further on, big problems. This is basically the case wherever I travel.

Paul Budde

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freakiness — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:33:51 GMT

@monman12 wrote:
LL: " the cost of his 'plan' will exceed labors by many billions in the long term."

Show us a balance sheet to confirm that LL (assuming you can find NBN costings for the next decade)
What speed do you think businesses (including the 750,000 small ones) require to operate, assuming they are not watching streaming HD 720p TV all the time?
nɥºɾ

My small business workplace pays $1500 per year less for a basic NBN service than those that stuck with the basic copper service. They can't use the phone and eftpos at the same time. We can use phone, eftpos, HD skype, G+ video chat, stream ABC24, ABC4kids at the same time without any impact on quality.

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patchoo78 — Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:57:55 GMT

@crystal**flake wrote:
This is one thing I really dont care about.

Yet you cared enough to tell people that you don't care, as if we actually care