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NSW Govt Offers Fluoridation Sweetener

icyfroth — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 02:09:32 GMT

The NSW government is offering a $7.5 million incentive that it hopes will persuade recalcitrant councils to fluoridate their drinking water.

But Health Minister Jillian Skinner says the government won't be supporting a Labor bill that would give state authorities power to force local councils to put the tooth-strengthening chemical in their drinking water.

Last week, Lismore Council overturned a ban on fluoride after seven years of lobbying by local health professionals.

However, there are still 15 council areas across the state that don't fluoridate their water, the government says.

Ms Skinner says the funds are aimed at encouraging those councils to reverse their decision.

The government wanted to support councils in making their own decisions, rather than take a big stick approach.

"It is for this reason we are boosting our infrastructure support for councils who have avoided fluoridation, to encourage them to deliver this vital service to the community," Ms Skinner said.

Councils can currently choose not to add the dental health booster to their water supplies, with several recent attempts by councils to block fluoridation.

A bill introduced into NSW parliament this month by opposition health spokesman Andrew McDonald would give the government power to mandate fluoridation in council public water supplies.

Ms Skinner on Wednesday said the government wouldn't support the proposed legislation.

"Recent outcomes have shown that with education and information, local councils are able to make informed decisions about fluoridation," she said in a statement.

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Why are they so desperate to put fluoride in the drinking water?

Re: NSW Govt Offers Fluoridation Sweetener

twinkles**stars — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 02:42:29 GMT

Blackmail? Same with vaccinations....don't have your child fully vaccinated and you miss out on the school payment? If it's the right thing to do why offer money?

The Lismore council voted 5 to 6 😞

Re: NSW Govt Offers Fluoridation Sweetener

izabsmiling — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 02:55:17 GMT

why the need if there is an which was Act passed in 1957 and the addition is by regulation?

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/1d436d3c74a9e047ca256e690001d75b/b5e31ebcff8594b5ca257be3002bf3d4/$FILE/2R%20Fluoridation.pdf

FLUORIDATION OF PUBLIC WATER SUPPLIES AMENDMENT BILL 2013
Page: 1

Those areas most at risk are smaller communities, such as those on the New South Wales North Coast where local
councillors and health service providers are bullied, heckled and intimidated into restricting
the use of water fluoridation in their communities, with the resulting increased rates of tooth
decay—children and other vulnerable groups being the most affected. This leads to a lifetime
of increased dental morbidity and, as we are now learning, effects on other organs such as the
heart. Heart disease and dental disease have been known for many years to be linked.
However, recent evidence shows that the link is even more significant than previously
known.

The aim of this bill is simple. The bill will give the New South Wales Government, via the
Minister for Health, the jurisdiction and authority to direct water authorities to fluoridate
drinking water.

In New South Wales, the Water Fluoridation Act was passed in 1957 and the
addition of fluoride is by regulation. As well as being New South Wales Government policy,
it is recommended by the World Health Organisation, the National Health and Medical
Research Council and every reputable health department and professional body worldwide.
In the documented entitled, "Oral Health 2020: A Strategic Framework for Dental Health in
NSW", the Health Department states on page 9:

In the coming decade, NSW Health will continue to pursue a fluoridated water
supply for the population and integrate oral health promotion within other
health promotion activities in areas such as healthy eating, prevention of
overweight and obesity, and smoking reduction programs.
On page 12 it states:
Fluoridation of public water supplies is the single most effective public health
measure for reducing dental caries across the population, with its most
pronounced effects among those who are disadvantaged and most at risk …
Since 2004 NSW Health, in conjunction with the LHDs, Local Councils, and
Water Supply Authorities, has been proactive in developing strategies to

Re: NSW Govt Offers Fluoridation Sweetener

izabsmiling — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 03:01:57 GMT

^^^^ why the need if there is an Act which was passed in 1957 and the addition is by regulation?

Re: NSW Govt Offers Fluoridation Sweetener

i-need-a-martini — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 03:29:24 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:

Why are they so desperate to put fluoride in the drinking water?

Perhaps you could find the answer on your other thread about fluorination where the subject was well thrashed out?

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cherry*135 — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 03:47:34 GMT

Good move.

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siggie-reported-by-alarmists — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 04:15:15 GMT

*sigh*

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cherry*135 — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 04:33:45 GMT

icy - Why are they so desperate to put fluoride in the drinking water?

To stop the increasing amount of children with tooth decay currently (most likely to do with drinking bottled water (no fluoride in it).

To help children in lower socio economic areas have access to fluoride so their teeth don't get decay.

1 Sept 2013

Young children from parts of northern NSW without fluoridated water are being hospitalised for mass extractions of rotten teeth at nearly twice the rate of other children.

Dentists and paediatricians in Lismore and Ballina say tooth decay among young children is at Third-World levels.

The situation has prompted the Australian Dental Association to urge the federal government to use its influence to force councils swayed by ''fringe groups who peddle fear … and conspiracy theories'' to embrace water fluoridation.

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/1744747/decay-in-non-fluoride-areas-rivals-third-world/?cs=27

Re: NSW Govt Offers Fluoridation Sweetener

icyfroth — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:22:06 GMT

@i-need-a-martini wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:

Why are they so desperate to put fluoride in the drinking water?
Perhaps you could find the answer on your other thread about fluorination where the subject was well thrashed out?

erm no...this new development wasn't up for discussion on that thread.

You don't seem to have any inhibitions about posting endless variatiions on the same topic yourself so why the tone?

Re: NSW Govt Offers Fluoridation Sweetener

cherry*135 — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:16:14 GMT

I think martini's question was quite appropriate. We had a very long thread posted on by both the anti's and for's for fluoride in the water supply. There was lots of links and opinions as to why some think fluoride in the water supply is a good plan or not.

This question in the opening post:

Why are they [Govt?}so desperate to put fluoride in the drinking water?

The anti's will be against that totally.

The people for fluoride in the water supply will be totally for the above

Reasons why people have these views? All covered in the fluoride thread.

Re: NSW Govt Offers Fluoridation Sweetener

cherry*135 — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:18:57 GMT

Did you miss this posted above, as good reasons why they, them, us want to fluoridate the water supply?

Young children from parts of northern NSW without fluoridated water are being hospitalised for mass extractions of rotten teeth at nearly twice the rate of other children.

Dentists and paediatricians in Lismore and Ballina say tooth decay among young children is at Third-World levels.

Re: NSW Govt Offers Fluoridation Sweetener

icyfroth — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:57:32 GMT

yeah yeah yeah I get all that, am.

But why the governments fervour about our kid's dental health?

I mean, they're quite happy for companies to market their sugar-laden products to our kids en masse. No concerns about our kid's dental health there.

No worries about preservatives in the food causing as yet unkown health and allergy problems.

Not overly concerned about the effects of pollution or deforestation or overfishing or steroids fed to our beef pork and poultry.

Half-heartedly worried about the effects of alcohol or drugs on the unborn children of addicts or the effects of gambling on families.

No. Must have fluoride in the drinking water as if it were some kind of cure-all. Never mind about the side-effects, National Health can take care of that,

Doctors and Dentists have to make a living too, you know.

Oh and with regards to comparing some of our kids teeth to 3rd world countries.

From what I've seen, they have some pretty lovely white teeth in their smiles over in those 3rd world countries.

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monman12 — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:15:27 GMT

TS: "Blackmail? Same with vaccinations....don't have your child fully vaccinated and you miss out on the school payment? If it's the right thing to do why offer money?"

Actually TS it is not blackmail, I suggest you check a dictionary.. Why do it?, because as the CDC has said, and also endorsed by the Australian Dental Association:-

"For 65 years, community water fluoridation has been a safe and healthy way to effectively prevent tooth decay. CDC has recognized water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century."

As opposed to nuts with no clinical expertise in dentistry (or medicine (vaccinations) ) who spout unsupported/unresearched nonsense on chat-boards.

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the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:26:51 GMT

No. Must have fluoride in the drinking water as if it were some kind of cure-all. Never mind about the side-effects, National Health can take care of that,

Doctors and Dentists have to make a living too, you know.

1) How is fluoridating the water supply going to help dentists make a living?

2) Can you provide statistics on the number of people admitted to hosptial in Australia over the last five years suffering from fluoride poisoning?

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icyfroth — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:28:16 GMT

you have clinical expertise in dentistry and vaccinations do you, Monno?

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monman12 — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:13:43 GMT

IF: "you have clinical expertise in dentistry and vaccinations do you, Monno?"

No IF, but the CDC, WHO, Australian Medical, and Dental association, and numerous other professional medical bodies world wide do, and I take the time to research their findings apropos the topic(s) in debate.

I am always willing to read research/papers from any reputable peer review body, but over time I seem to read inputs here from the same "anti" nuts, with no professional underwriting.

From my past:comments, (unanswered😞

Is the Australian Dental Association advocating an unsafe practice?
How about you IF, and our resident anti TS, provide some credible studies published by accepted review organisations?, or better still anything from the ADA that would disagree with their current published statement, on a topic studied for 100 years and implemented in domestic water supplies for over 60 years:

Why would our own ADA publish:
"Water fluoridation is the single most effective public health measure for reducing dental caries across the population"

Why would the CDC publish: " CDC has recognized the fluoridation of drinking water to prevent dental decay as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century.

Why would The WHO Oral Health Programme, jointly with the FDI World Dental Federation (FDI) and the International Association for Dental Research (IADR), have embarked on an action plan for the promotion of using fluoride, particularly focusing on the disadvantaged and under-served population groups.?

nɥºɾ

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cherry*135 — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:31:38 GMT

But why the governments fervour about our kid's dental health?

Because in recent years children's dental health has got worse (especially in areas with no fluoride in the water supply or the assumption that increased drinking of bottled water is one cause).

As for third world childre and/or children from developing countries having white shiny teeth:

Vietnamese child:

Re: NSW Govt Offers Fluoridation Sweetener

icyfroth — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:14:30 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
But why the governments fervour about our kid's dental health?

Because in recent years children's dental health has got worse (especially in areas with no fluoride in the water supply or the assumption that increased drinking of bottled water is one cause).

As for third world childre and/or children from developing countries having white shiny teeth:
Vietnamese child:

Childrens teeth will decay with the increasing amount of sugar and lack of nutritional value in our fast-food diet.

Fluoride in drinking water is no antidote against bad dietary and dental hygiene habits.

Your vietnamese (3rd world) child. Do you happen to know what his/her diet and lifestyle is? Coca Cola and Nestle and other huge American food companies are finding a huge market in Asia, I hear.

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cherry*135 — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:57:56 GMT

Photo was in reply to this statement:

Oh and with regards to comparing some of our kids teeth to 3rd world countries.

From what I've seen, they have some pretty lovely white teeth in their smiles over in those 3rd world countries.

Do very very poor people in third world countries have disposable income to spend on sweets and fizzy drinks?

Re: NSW Govt Offers Fluoridation Sweetener

izabsmiling — Thu, 19 Sep 2013 01:48:23 GMT

I wonder if there may be a rise in the Councils relunctant to add the fluoride if this money is offered as a reward for those who don't want to comply ?