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Bill Shorten the executioner - The machine man

silverfaun — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 00:46:53 GMT

If Labor elect Bill Shorten as leader then they deserve everything they get.

Bill Shorten the machine man, the union heavy, the man who destroyed 2 sitting Prime Minister's reign & betrayed his own support base, the man who engineered the worst failures of govt. in history because of his machinations.

A charmless, dull, short tempered man, a man who will bring nothing to the leadership & will ensure Labor stay out of contention for more than 2 terms.

He is from the right faction & ordinarily I would prefer that (see the left socialist Gillard disaster) but a more popular man like Albanese is more palatable even though he is steeped in the left faction.

Albanese looks like a shoo in as his left faction support in the rank & file is enormous but he may not get the support of the caucus.

What is ahead for Labor if the caucus elect Short Fuse Shorten but he is defeated by the rank & file? will it mean more instability because the caucus will not have supported the winner Albanese ie. his caucus didn't want him!

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jethro_woolfe — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:16:56 GMT

That article reads like the real author is concerned about Shorten already. The pasting of it here seems to indicate the right are feeling threatened as a whole. Which is entirely understandable .

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*ibis — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:23:00 GMT

shorten wont get in

centrebet odds

Bill Shorten 3.50

Anthony Albanese 1.28

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pct001wine — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 04:55:50 GMT

More concern by the OP about what the ALP are up to rather than focussing on and critically examining what the Government is up to.

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*ibis — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 05:03:34 GMT

what the Government is up to.

well they were sworn in about 4 hous ago

anything else?

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pct001wine — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 05:12:32 GMT

what the government is up to also applies to their intentions and their actions up to and including the time they were sworn in. It's not as if they were sitting on their hands waiting for their cup of tea with the GG before they started making plans. Sorry if you took the term government too literally *ibis, my apologies for the confusion.

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polksaladallie — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 05:21:01 GMT

@*ibis wrote:
what the Government is up to.

well they were sworn in about 4 hous ago

anything else?

Mr Whitlam didn't hang around waiting for a full ministry to be sworn in.

The duumvirate – ministry of two

On 5 December 1972 Whitlam became the first Labor Prime Minister since 1949. He and Deputy Prime Minister Lance Barnard were sworn into all portfolios, Whitlam holding 13 and Barnard 14. It was a mini-ministry that was unique in Australian political history. The duumvirate made 40 significant decisions in its brief tenure, including the immediate release of all draft resisters, the removal of troops from Vietnam and the recognition of Communist China.

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jean2579 — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:19:18 GMT

Why the concern silverfaun, surely you don't care either way? Or perhaps just a good excuse to use descriptive words you wouldn't use against the other side?

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silverfaun — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:20:58 GMT

Whitlam???????????? the most incompetent chaotic govt & thrown out in a landslide. The fantasists & mythologizing on here by the labbies beggars belief.

Next we'll be served up the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd catastrophe as a shining time in Labor history.

This is the reason Conservatives are the rightful governers of this country, they are the preferred party by the majority of Australians.

The chaos & dysfunction, incompetent & dishonest activities of Labor shines through every single time they manage to slither into power. Then they screw it all up & the Conservatives are left to clean up their mess. Spreading their stuff everywhere then gloat & fantasize about how good they were.

Well guess what?? they are gone & will be gone for years. Australians will never forget this Labor failure, they will not forgive Labor, they don't appeal to the working people of this country anymore, they are out of touch & out of date.

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lakeland27 — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:25:19 GMT

@silverfaun wrote:
Whitlam???????????? the most incompetent chaotic govt & thrown out in a landslide. The fantasists & mythologizing on here by the labbies beggars belief.

Next we'll be served up the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd catastrophe as a shining time in Labor history.

This is the reason Conservatives are the rightful governers of this country, they are the preferred party by the majority of Australians.

The chaos & dysfunction, incompetent & dishonest activities of Labor shines through every single time they manage to slither into power. Then they screw it all up & the Conservatives are left to clean up their mess. Spreading their stuff everywhere then gloat & fantasize about how good they were.

Well guess what?? they are gone & will be gone for years. Australians will never forget this Labor failure, they will not forgive Labor, they don't appeal to the working people of this country anymore, they are out of touch & out of date.

i think you'll find they are focusing on the latest failure, your guy tone. all of his asylum policies imploded yesterday, hows he going to deal with that ?

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freddie*rooster — Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:27:57 GMT

Buckle your safety belt, the Abbott chaos is about to begin.

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lurker17260 — Thu, 19 Sep 2013 01:29:13 GMT

@silverfaun wrote:

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Australians will never forget this Labor failure, they will not forgive Labor, they don't appeal to the working people of this country anymore, they are out of touch & out of date.

Look, I really don't care what your opinions are, but I do wish you would stop making broad sweeping generalisations and pretending you are speaking for ALL Australians. A majority, I grant you, at this point in time, but by no means all.

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newstart2380 — Thu, 19 Sep 2013 06:09:34 GMT

@lurker17260 wrote:
@silverfaun wrote:
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Australians will never forget this Labor failure, they will not forgive Labor, they don't appeal to the working people of this country anymore, they are out of touch & out of date.

Look, I really don't care what your opinions are, but I do wish you would stop making broad sweeping generalisations and pretending you are speaking for ALL Australians. A majority, I grant you, at this point in time, but by no means all.

Ditto to LL who seems to think he speaks for all of us, have you forgotten the whitewash in the recent election which prooves the majority of us actually thought about the elecation this time and realised which party should run the country and would do a better job.

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just_me_karen — Thu, 19 Sep 2013 06:12:14 GMT

What a shame they were misinformed.

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lakeland27 — Thu, 19 Sep 2013 06:19:26 GMT

So my criticism of bleep head gets under your skin. i could start on about barnett mucking up the WA economy if you like.. 'better fiscal managers' 'interest rates will always be lower under a liberal govt' 'we have have an an understanding with indonesia' on and on it goes

try this one.

The downgrade of Western Australia’s credit rating illustrates how governments can’t merely talk about fiscal discipline, they need to show it. Glenn Dyer and Bernard Keane report.

There was a decided air of delusion in Canberra yesterday. While Tony Abbott was kicking off his Prime Ministership by refighting the climate wars and displaying how extraordinarily petty he can be, reality was mugging his economic agenda.

Standard & Poor’s downgrading of Western Australia’s AAA rating carries one big message for the new federal government — especially Abbott and Treasurer Joe Hockey — and that’s all about political will.

WA was put on a negative outlook in 2012. Yesterday S&P moved to trim the rating to AA-plus (stable) because of fears about the government’s commitment to bring down the state’s $28.4 billion debt, despite previously pledging itself to do just that. Premier Colin Barnett has recently reversed a number of revenue-raising measures contained in the 2013-14 budget.

As we noted a few weeks back, Barnett’s budget problems reflect those of other Australian governments, including the difficulties Labor faced — and which Abbott and Hockey now face. S&P said in a statement:

“The lowering of WA’s long-term issuer credit rating reflects our view that while the fiscal action plan announced in WA’s fiscal 2014 budget improves the State’s path, in our view there is likely to be slippage, reflecting our view of limited political will, as evidenced by the early revision of some budget revenue and expenditure measures. The ratings are constrained by our view of moderate budgetary flexibility and budgetary performance. WA’s debt burden is now at the high end of the domestic peer group, and in our view is likely to continue rising.”

Even the state’s stable outlook is at risk unless the government came up with a more convincing plan to cut debt, the agency said:

“The rating could be pressured if WA’s consolidated cash operating balance looked likely to fall into deficit without a convincing plan to return to surplus.”

Like Campbell Newman’s Queensland government, which was further downgraded last year after the state lost its triple-A rating under Labor, the Barnett government is giving the lie to Abbott’s claim that better fiscal management is somehow in the Liberals’ DNA. And that’s despite both states enjoying resources booms and both governments boosting mining royalties ahead of the introduction of the ALP government’s mining tax, thinking themselves very clever by undermining the federal mining tax for revenue and partisan reasons.

The problem is, while the Labor government in Canberra copped so much criticism for its fiscal management, it was doing the hard yards while Barnett was sitting on his backside.'' http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/09/19/economic-reality-mugs-the-liberal-economic-agenda/

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*ibis — Thu, 19 Sep 2013 06:22:59 GMT

LOL crikey.com

are they still in business?

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lakeland27 — Thu, 19 Sep 2013 06:27:25 GMT

@*ibis wrote:
LOL crikey.com

are they still in business?

part of the murdoch group now .

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lakeland27 — Thu, 19 Sep 2013 06:33:34 GMT

no idea.

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lurker17260 — Thu, 19 Sep 2013 06:53:35 GMT

@newstart2380 wrote:
@lurker17260 wrote:
@silverfaun wrote:
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Australians will never forget this Labor failure, they will not forgive Labor, they don't appeal to the working people of this country anymore, they are out of touch & out of date.

Look, I really don't care what your opinions are, but I do wish you would stop making broad sweeping generalisations and pretending you are speaking for ALL Australians. A majority, I grant you, at this point in time, but by no means all.
Ditto to LL who seems to think he speaks for all of us, have you forgotten the whitewash in the recent election which prooves the majority of us actually thought about the elecation this time and realised which party should run the country and would do a better job.

A majority, I grant you, at this point in time,

What part of that did you miss?

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silverfaun — Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:45:05 GMT

@lurker17260 wrote:
@newstart2380 wrote:
@lurker17260 wrote:
@silverfaun wrote:
.....
Australians will never forget this Labor failure, they will not forgive Labor, they don't appeal to the working people of this country anymore, they are out of touch & out of date.

Look, I really don't care what your opinions are, but I do wish you would stop making broad sweeping generalisations and pretending you are speaking for ALL Australians. A majority, I grant you, at this point in time, but by no means all.
Ditto to LL who seems to think he speaks for all of us, have you forgotten the whitewash in the recent election which prooves the majority of us actually thought about the elecation this time and realised which party should run the country and would do a better job.
A majority, I grant you, at this point in time,

What part of that did you miss?

Look, I really don't care what your opinion is either & semantics is not an argument.

I didn't make a statement about ALL Australians either, my opinion is that the majority of australians repudiated Labor and all it stood for these last 6 years.

Got it? what part of that don't you understand?