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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

the_bob_delusion — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 10:21:15 GMT

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ.

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm

Nooooooooooooooooooo.

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

*elizabeths-mum* — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 10:23:13 GMT

well, that'll put a spanner in the works.

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

not_an_eloi — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 10:43:12 GMT

read this short be-bunk first

http://tomverenna.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/no-joe-atwill-rome-did-not-invent-jesus/

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

the_bob_delusion — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 10:55:46 GMT

What you find is regardless of the evidence, if you've been program to believe, there's nothing you can do to convience otherwise.

You just have to look at the Morman religion. The fastest growing in the States. There's court document to prove that Joseph Smith is a convicted conman who has made up stories previously. His parents/teacher's attest to it. All the archeological finding and claims in the book has been disproven for historical and scientific accuracy. Yet believers are willing to die for their faith despite of all this.

Who needs evidence when you have faith.

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

joz*garage — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 10:58:54 GMT

i at least belived jesus existed, i could be persuaded though

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

lionrose.7 — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:00:53 GMT

All I good fairy story, like Alice in Wonderland.

Religion just creates wars

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

**meep** — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:09:44 GMT

lol Bob, that's soooooo 2005

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

the_bob_delusion — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:13:14 GMT

Out of curiosity Eve, what evidence would you require for you to consider Catholocism is false?

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

*crikey*mate* — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:17:12 GMT

define false

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

the_bob_delusion — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:19:18 GMT

False as in proving your God is false. Doesn't mean it's something to prove all God to be false, just yours to be false.

Let me ask you Crikey, what proof would you need for you not to believe in Christianity?

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

*crikey*mate* — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:36:56 GMT

its a subjective question.

Christianity exists, that is indisputible.

perhaps you need to define what you mean by Christianity.

edit - and what Christianity means to you.

By the same token, Catholicism also exists, that too is indieputible.

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

the_bob_delusion — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:41:42 GMT

@crikey*mate wrote:
its a subjective question.

Christianity exists, that is indisputible.

perhaps you need to define what you mean by Christianity.

edit - and what Christianity means to you.

By the same token, Catholicism also exists, that too is indieputible.

Sure, I was pretty vague. I do agree Christianity is a meaningless term. So let's see if I can establish what you believe in.

Do you believe Jesus is son of God/part of the trinity ? Do you believe Jesus died for you sins and believing in him is the only way to salvation?

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

**meep** — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:41:53 GMT

@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
Out of curiosity Eve, what evidence would you require for you to consider Catholocism is false?

Can't say I've really thought about it recently...........What ya got?

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

the_bob_delusion — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:47:56 GMT

@**meep** wrote:
@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
Out of curiosity Eve, what evidence would you require for you to consider Catholocism is false?

Can't say I've really thought about it recently...........What ya got?

You have to tell me. It's your belief. I'm asking you what can change your mind? Here's a one way of thinking about it. Why are you not a muslim then?

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

**meep** — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:52:40 GMT

I like Vodka too much.

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

the_bob_delusion — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:56:51 GMT

@**meep** wrote:
I like Vodka too much.

Do you eat shellfish or pork/ham? Do you ever work on satdays? Do you wear polyester?

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

*crikey*mate* — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:57:03 GMT

@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
@crikey*mate wrote:
its a subjective question.

Christianity exists, that is indisputible.

perhaps you need to define what you mean by Christianity.

edit - and what Christianity means to you.

By the same token, Catholicism also exists, that too is indieputible.

Sure, I was pretty vague. I do agree Christianity is a meaningless term. So let's see if I can establish what you believe in.
Do you believe Jesus is son of God/part of the trinity ? Do you believe Jesus died for you sins and believing in him is the only way to salvation?

define salvation

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

*crikey*mate* — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:58:50 GMT

@**meep** wrote:
I like Vodka too much.

I could be Muslim, I don't like Vodka.

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

the_bob_delusion — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:59:32 GMT

@crikey*mate wrote:
@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
@crikey*mate wrote:
its a subjective question.

Christianity exists, that is indisputible.

perhaps you need to define what you mean by Christianity.

edit - and what Christianity means to you.

By the same token, Catholicism also exists, that too is indieputible.

Sure, I was pretty vague. I do agree Christianity is a meaningless term. So let's see if I can establish what you believe in.
Do you believe Jesus is son of God/part of the trinity ? Do you believe Jesus died for you sins and believing in him is the only way to salvation?

define salvation

Sure you just keep proving that Christians have no idea what they believe in. Why not you just tell me what you believe in and what you need to change your mind?

Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

**meep** — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 12:01:48 GMT

@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
@**meep** wrote:
I like Vodka too much.

Do you eat shellfish or pork/ham? Do you ever work on satdays? Do you wear polyester?

That's a bit personal