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NBN 'can be changed

catsnknots — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 00:48:50 GMT

I have always questioned the cost benefit of the NBN... I do agree with a nationwide upgrade but think that every aspect needs to be fully and openly addressed. I do not think this has happened...

the telecommunications industry peak body, the Communications Alliance, has been asked to initiate the study in an effort to "bring commercial reality to the theoretical debate" on broadband technologies.

"Ever since Labor's $50bn fibre-to-the-premises NBN was announced in April 2009 the Coalition and many others have called for an independent, transparent review of the options for delivering fast broadband to all Australians," he said.

"These calls were motivated by our concern that Labor had chosen the slowest and most expensive way of achieving such an upgrade.

"it was not too late to discuss the future of the NBN and make decisions based on "good data and facts".

"Having an open debate that weighs up the pros and cons of alternatives can only be positive,"

"it would not be too late to alter the design of the current rollout but added it would result in complications.

"None of this is too late to talk about,"

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not_an_eloi — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 01:10:12 GMT

keep up, mike quigley's already called for a debate on the matter

NBN boss calls for study into broadband future

The head of the National Broadband Network (NBN) wants an industry study to determine the best way to build the high-speed internet project.

Construction has been underway on the NBN for more than two years but there is still debate over which technology should be used.

The NBN Co is using a technology called 'fibre to the premises', which goes all the way to a home, to build most of the network.

But the Coalition wants to use 'fibre to the node'. It says this method is faster and cheaper, but it will come with slower speeds. (slower than snail's pace B-) )

NBN boss Mike Quigley is trying to bring an end to the debate in the lead up to the federal election.

He says he supports a proposed study by the Communications Alliance into the pros and cons of a range of technologies to see which is best.

"It gives them an opportunity to have a voice and give their opinion on what is the right way forward for the NBN," he told PM.

"There is a lot of debate at the moment about what the right way forward is. Who's better placed than the industry itself to have a view?"

But he says his support for the study does not mean he does not fully support the NBN.

"Having an open debate can only be a good thing for the country," he said.

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not_an_eloi — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 01:49:05 GMT

The vast differences between the NBN and the Noalition's alternative

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/02/21/3695094.htm

it's a scroller, but it may 'elp some to understand WHY it's so important NOT to

let the Liberals gets their claws on australia's communication system.

Re: NBN 'can be changed

catsnknots — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:00:45 GMT

Considering that those comments above came from Quigley himself I think that it is obvious that there needs to discussion...

Do I really need 100 mbs???

Does the cost of providing 100mbs to every home really make it a great investment???

Will other forms of delivery be a better option for some people?

And I don't think Quigley is trying to bring an end to the debate... he is trying to protect his job for when the coalition is voted in and Malcolm Turnbull gets to decide who will be the next chief of the NBN...

Mr Quigley said he "sincerely hoped" the review would go ahead with the support of the telecommunications industry. He said it would not be too late to alter the design of the current rollout but added it would result in complications.

"None of this is too late to talk about," he said.

"You could deploy tens of thousands of cabinets and do fibre-to-the-node, that's not out of the questions either.

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cherples — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:44:57 GMT

I have always questioned the cost benefit of the NBN... I do agree with a nationwide upgrade but think that every aspect needs to be fully and openly addressed. I do not think this has happened...

"Ever since Labor's $50bn fibre-to-the-premises NBN

Which $50bn fibre-to-the-premises NBN?

Do you mean the one that has been costed at $43B?

Just add the extra $7B for effect, eh?

When did you acquire more knowledge of the subject than Mike Quigley?

Re: NBN 'can be changed

cherples — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:47:47 GMT

Considering that those comments above came from Quigley himself I think that it is obvious that there needs to discussion...

Do I really need 100 mbs???

Does the cost of providing 100mbs to every home really make it a great investment???

Will other forms of delivery be a better option for some people?

And I don't think Quigley is trying to bring an end to the debate... he is trying to protect his job for when the coalition is voted in and Malcolm Turnbull gets to decide who will be the next chief of the NBN...

What's 100mbs mean?

Re: NBN 'can be changed

catsnknots — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:49:41 GMT

lol.. like I care what a 0 id says... did eloi run out of his ten posts???

Re: NBN 'can be changed

not_an_eloi — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:58:31 GMT

no, eloi didn't. and as most 'ere know, (except ignorantees), eloi don't got no second id, to back m'self up, fortunately others can see what flamin' rubbish the Liberals are

Chaos: Coalition a total shambles on NBN policy
renai lemay

"Up until now, I’ve been willing to give the Coalition the benefit of the doubt when it comes to national broadband policy, due primarily to the intelligence and experience of its Shadow Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull. But events last week starkly demonstrated the Coalition is currently a complete mess when it comes to this critical portfolio.

Regular readers of Delimiter will know that while I have long had doubts about the Coalition’s alternative vision to Labor’s flagship National Broadband Network, I have also been willing to acknowledge some of its strengths.

When Turnbull first substantially detailed the Coalition’s rival NBN vision in a major speech to the National Press Club in August 2011, I wrote that the policy was “90 percent” win, as it outlined a “credible, fiscally responsible and less disruptive” alternative to Labor’s big-spending NBN vision.

In December I wrote that although Labor’s NBN vision was still fundamentally a better policy, the Coalition’s alternative still represented a “solid, workable and achievable broadband policy”. And just a fortnight ago, as Opposition Leader Tony Abbott firmed in his support for Turnbull’s fibre to the node-based policy and virtually confirmed the Member for Wentworth as his future Communications Minister, I praised Turnbull’s “tenacity, intellectualism and continued engagement with the telecommunications industry over the NBN”.

But what a difference two weeks can make."

there's more, read on, if you're interested. they just 'aven't got a clue

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/18/chaos-coalition-a-total-shambles-on-nbn-policy/

Re: NBN 'can be changed

cherples — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:08:28 GMT

lol.. like I care what a 0 id says... did eloi run out of his ten posts???

why the personal attack?

Can't answer the question or something?

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cherry*135 — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 05:49:39 GMT

Do I really need 100 mbs???

Maybe you don't. But you don't speak for the whole of Australia. There are lots of businesses that will benefit from fast speed, not just homeowners.

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catsnknots — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:37:50 GMT

yes Am3... I agree that some people do need it... Business does, Uni's and hospitals do... and some people do... but does everyone?

If they do need it then shouldn't they pay for it to be connected?

Also there is a huge problem with getting the NBN connected to apartments and units... they will miss out and there is not a backup to get those people connected..

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cherry*135 — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:49:56 GMT

Helping to connect apartments to the National Broadband Network

12/2/2013

Connecting apartment blocks to the National Broadband Network should be easier now that NBN Co and Strata Community Australia have joined forces to help NBN Co contractors more easily access the buildings.

Before NBN Co and its contractors can start installing fibre into a building they need to liaise with the owners or their representatives to get access to the building.

But this isn't always as straightforward as it sounds.

"Simply making contact with owners corporations can be challenging because there is no publicly available register or listing of office bearers, committee members or authorised representatives such as strata managers," says Strata Community Australia chief executive Mark Lever.

"Also, these positions do turn over regularly and NBN Co needs to be talking to the right people at the right time."

NBN Co and SCA will be collaborating in a six-month pilot to assist in obtaining contact details for owners corporations and bodies corporate of multi-dwelling units to gain the necessary information and approvals to cable the buildings and install NBN equipment.

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cherry*135 — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:51:35 GMT

http://www.nbnco.com.au/blog/connecting-apartments-mdus-nbn.html

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catsnknots — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:57:35 GMT

good that they are making inroads to fixing these problems but they should have been addressed as part of the planning..... it has been a problem for several years.

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cherry*135 — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:32:52 GMT

That is the point of test areas isn't it? To find out what problems they may encounter before they start on the next phase. Our test area here went live in Nov 2011...Tasmania was before that... not really several years.

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catsnknots — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:59:27 GMT

no.. that is the job of a business plan

anyone that is even remotely clued in would know the trouble that Optus had when trying to get their cables into units.. and those that live in flats often can't get satellite TV..

I would have thought it was standard knowledge and would have been addressed in a good business plan.

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not_an_eloi — Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:24:53 GMT

righto, let's see how "business-man" turnbull copes with one or two questions that will be put to 'im tonight, on Q & A.

let's just watch the spin

Re: NBN 'can be changed

cherples — Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:23:52 GMT

no.. that is the job of a business plan

anyone that is even remotely clued in would know the trouble that Optus had when trying to get their cables into units.. and those that live in flats often can't get satellite TV..

I would have thought it was standard knowledge and would have been addressed in a good business plan.

The business plans assumes MDUs will be more difficult and extra time will be required for MDUs. Hence the MDU connections commencing later than ordinary. They are working with the strata title groups to assist with the permissions etc. required..

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monman12 — Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:03:11 GMT

".....WHY it's so important NOT to

let the Liberals gets their claws on australia's communication system."

The current system is firmly clawed (slashed) by Labour to ensure that there is no competition for the NBN. This is to be achieved by shutting down a perfectly good Optus HFC, decommissioning Telstra copper network, and banning Telstra HFC from data and voice communications. The Government has paid both of these companies a lot of money not to use their HFC in future for broadband.

Breaking News 22nd Feb:

The first regional Victorians are about to be plugged in to the National Broadband Network

The NBN will be switched on at Bacchus Marsh, west of Melbourne, on Friday.

More than 200 residents will then be able to connect to the fibre-optic broadband network.

Gosh, 200 (able to connect?). I would suggest that there are possibly far more NBN spruiking Internet links than Bacchus Marsh (able to connect) customers.

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cherples — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:12:53 GMT

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/02/21/3695094.htm

The Coalition's broadband policy slogan states that they will "Complete the current NBN cheaper and faster." This simply isn't true.

We'll continue to cover the sketchy claims of being 'faster' and 'cheaper' in other articles but for now we'll focus on the supposed similarities and differences.

The Coalition's NBN alternative is different by almost every measure. It uses different technologies to connect the bulk of the country; it has different uses and applications; it affects Australia's health service differently; it provides different levels of support in emergencies and natural disasters; it requires a different amount of power to operate; the cost of maintenance is different; the overall cost, the return on investment and the re-sale value are different; the management, ownership, governance, competition and monopoly factors will be different; it has a different life-span and upgradability issues; the effect on businesses (of all sizes) and GDP is different; the effects on television are different; the effect on Senior Citizens is different; the viability and potential for cost blowouts is different; the costs of buying broadband will be different; the reliability is different; the effect on property prices will be different; the timescale is different; the legacy is different. Ultimately, it has completely different aims.

In just about every case the Coalition's alternative compares unfavourably to the current plans - and usually in dramatic fashion. That's based upon the facts and the information currently available in the public domain.

There are few similarities: it appears that the Coalition's plans for Fixed Wireless technology and Satellite technology in rural areas may be similar (there's an near-total lack of detail in the Coalition's plans and much information is gathered through 'reading between the lines') but there are big questions regarding the differences in funding. Ultimately, the only obvious similarity is that people should be able to download web pages and videos a bit faster.

Here follows each facet listed in detail. In the spirit of crowdsourcing, and with the phenomenal success of it in terms of NBN research, if you can add any more information one way or the other, please contact us or leave the details in the comments.

That is the intro to a very long, very well researched article if anyone is interested in the truth about the NBN.