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The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

azureline** — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 04:47:33 GMT

This is disgraceful and I can only hope the people who are in charge fix this asap.

An asylum seeker who was moved off Nauru to give birth is being locked up for 18 hours a day in a detention centre in Brisbane while her week-old baby remains in hospital with respiratory problems.

The case of Latifa, a 31-year-old woman of the persecuted Rohingya people of Myanmar, has shocked churches and refugee advocates.

She was separated from her baby on Sunday, four days after a caesarean delivery, and has since been allowed to visit him only between 10am and 4pm in Brisbane's Mater Hospital. The boy, named Farus, has respiratory problems and needs round-the-clock medical care.

Latifa is confined to the Brisbane Immigration Transit Accommodation, 20 minutes away, where her husband and two children, four and seven, are being held.

Latifa's husband, Niza, is not allowed to visit the child at all, according to people in daily contact with the family.

Re: The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

polksaladallie — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 05:11:03 GMT

I agree, Azure, this is disgraceful. This separation will have deleterious effects on them both. There would be somewhere in the hospital that she could stay.

Related to this, did you know that Quentin Bryce was responsible for changing the hospital visiting rules in Queensland? Parents were allowed to visit their child for only 2 hours a day. (Appalling) She had a sick child and refused to leave. She had a sleeping bag (or something similar) and simply stayed. The rules changed after this, and now a parent can stay all the time.

Re: The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

azureline** — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 05:13:11 GMT

My first child was born in late 1973, he was in the special care nursery for 10 days, I was "allowed" to see him through the glass door twice a day. I had to move aside if anyone wanted to enter or leave.

Re: The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

polksaladallie — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 05:17:15 GMT

That is awful. Young women these days wouldn't believe how difficult life was for women and their children in the past.

Re: The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

azureline** — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 05:26:00 GMT

Yes, today we would not put up with it would we?

I do hope the media attention changes things for this family.

Re: The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

*elizabeths-mum* — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 06:35:54 GMT

I had the same in 1987 with my first child, azure.

If it meant the best care for my child, I would put up with it today as well.

Re: The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

poddster — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 06:55:25 GMT

I find id appalling that there is so much attention on any situation involving so called asylum seekers.

Of course it is in the interest of the opposition and the greens to put any obstacle in the Government's way.

But to turn the issue int a political football is insane, it benefits no one.

That is the same with Sarah Hanson-Young trying to undermine the Government's policy on the same issue, insanity.

The senate has taken on a bloody-minded view, and will oppose anything and everything.

I get the whiff of a double dissolution looming. the sooner the better

Re: The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

ca04 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:14:47 GMT

I wonder if anyone has asked the woman on her opinion about this.Might she not be thankfull to be where she

was transported from a centre to a major city(across internation borders) with her family & admitted to an hospital

where an operation was carried out for the betterment fo herself & child.Further the child is now in special care &

she is transported back & forth every day to visit.I can not help but think that some of these people are more

gratefull than the news & these groups will admitt or proclaim.

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lakeland27 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:18:25 GMT

i think abbott too risk averse for that. he might have lost a bit of cred since then . considering it was all confected in the first place

Re: The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

lakeland27 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:21:05 GMT

@ca04 wrote:
I wonder if anyone has asked the woman on her opinion about this.Might she not be thankfull to be where she
was transported from a centre to a major city(across internation borders) with her family & admitted to an hospital
where an operation was carried out for the betterment fo herself & child.Further the child is now in special care &
she is transported back & forth every day to visit.I can not help but think that some of these people are more
gratefull than the news & these groups will admitt or proclaim.

mother -child bond . dont come between them, its a line that shouldn't be crossed. punishing those already being punished is barbarism, it isn't australian mate.

Re: The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

ca04 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:24:27 GMT

Quentin Bryce did not have an easy childhood herself.I can rember her as a slight child with leg irons.

Her mother was a very determinded woman who pestered the doctors & defied the education department

by educating her child at home. Any time I see footage of Quentin walking or standing at functions it is

pleasing to see.

Re: The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

azureline** — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:24:47 GMT

I have no doubt the family are grateful................. I still think it is apalling that a newborn and his mum cannot be together. It is a proven fact that bonding occurs during this time and both of them need this!

Sure the baby is being cared for but that does not replace his mum. It isn't like she is going to take off and leave him?

Re: The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

azureline** — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:26:11 GMT

@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
I had the same in 1987 with my first child, azure.

If it meant the best care for my child, I would put up with it today as well.

No one has to put up with it today, that is the point, however this mother and baby do.

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lakeland27 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:26:54 GMT

i don't think so. its unnecessarily heavy handed.

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ca04 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:27:18 GMT

Regardless of where they come from or who they are there are some medical procedures that do exclude the mothers from their child.

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poddster — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:34:51 GMT

If that mother and child were elsewhere, she would probably be in mourning now.

And of course we don't hear of those who did not have the same advantage of this mother and child, there is no political mileage in them.

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*elizabeths-mum* — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:37:00 GMT

If my child was in a mental health unit I wouldn't be able to be with them for hours on end and certainly not overnight.

Even though I know bonding is important. I think it is demeaning to adoptive and foster parents to carry on as if a relationship can't be formed without contact in those early weeks. The situation is that the asylum claim hasn't been processed and the family shouldn't be given the freedoms of an Australian citizen until it is, hard as it is.

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ca04 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:38:57 GMT

Most likely the mother would be dead as well.

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cherry*135 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:41:01 GMT

It is the natural mother, who will be caring for the baby from now on, who doesn't get to bond with it. Not good for the baby either.

Re: The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

*elizabeths-mum* — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:43:18 GMT

Not ideal but not a total tragedy.