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Another boat yesterday with 39

donnashuggy — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:11:01 GMT

It sank and those on board were rescued, somewhere near Christmas Island.

Just wanted to do my bit as the media won't tell us till Friday I suppose.

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izabsmiling — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:55:45 GMT

Are the people OK do you know Donna? I hope so.

Here is some more news

Asylum policy of deterrence threatening families

Date November 15, 2013

Julie-Anne Davies

Asylum seekers being detained on Christmas Island and off shore on Nauru and Manus Island are being subjected to a regime of coercion and intimidation and living in appalling conditions in a deliberate bid to force them to go home.

Well-placed sources working in the offshore detention system report that inadequate healthcare and, contrary to government policy, forced family separation or threats of separation, has created a toxic mix of despair and fear among the asylum population.

The Abbott government policy of deterrence is being felt in every corner of the detention system from the moment people get on boats in Indonesia right through to the hot, cramped tent camps and World War II bunkers asylum seekers are forced to live in on Nauru and Manus Island.

Children are being used as a bargaining tool to get people to return home. In a letter received this week from an Iranian on Christmas Island, he says he has been told he will be separated from his pregnant wife two months before she gives birth. ''I have requested from the Immigration officers to discuss my situation, however, they keep telling me to go back home if you want to be next to your wife during delivering the baby,'' he writes.

Several sources have described harrowing scenes on Christmas Island last month when Immigration officers forced two unaccompanied Sri Lankan children aged 12 and 14 on to a plane to return home. They were part of a group of 84 Tamils who had arrived on the Coco Islands after 34 days at sea and within 48 hours were put on a plane and sent back to Colombo.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asylum-policy-of-deterrence-threatening-families-20131114-2xjnr.html#ixzz2ktY0GImh

http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/humiliation-on-the-high-seas,5900

also from IA
The hardliners in the Immigration Department are in control and family separation is the tool of choice. Senior correspondent Barry Everingham reports.

Re: Another boat yesterday with 39

donnashuggy — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:01:58 GMT

As far as I know they are ok and all rescued by the navy.

Is this what Tony Abbott meant by stopping them? The only difference is we are not being told, it is disgusting.

Apparently communications are shut down so the details cannot be communicated.

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poddster — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:05:13 GMT

Donna are you expanding your business to reporting now?

I better warn Rupert that there is competition on the horizon 🙂

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donnashuggy — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:14:10 GMT

Most people knew he wouldn't stop the boats poddy, those with common sense.

Another Lie, what we didn't know was that he was going to hide the boats instead.

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*crikey*mate* — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:15:51 GMT

hide the boats?

you mean like area 51?

oohhhhhh

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donnashuggy — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:18:38 GMT

No, like hiding the facts from the public, he knows about the boat that went down yesterday, but doesn't want us to know, is this a police state? Does the military rule? Has there been a military coup?

Re: Another boat yesterday with 39

donnashuggy — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:19:29 GMT

Tow back tony is giving the boats away now lol

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*crikey*mate* — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:30:40 GMT

i saw that about the two boats and staff, I thought that was actually a good thing.

might help them to police their own waters a bit more and stop a few boats from even leaving. That's got to be good, doesn't it?

You would think if we can stop or intercept enough that eventually the message must get through that it's just not gonna happen..

you know a

"Don't Try This At Home" kinda thing...

if they stop risking their lives with the people smugglers in dodgy boats, that's a good thing, isn't it?

and even if the two boats we gave/give only ever intercepts one boat or helps with the rescue of one damaged boat ful of people, that's at least a start, isn't it?

I know it's not ideal, and they all need to be intercepted etc, but tht's at least some lives saved?

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donnashuggy — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:36:48 GMT

I think people need to understand what the indonesions think, as said in this interview it is an international problem, well worth listening to this:

http://media.theage.com.au/news/national-times/tony-abbotts-boat-plan-slammed-4926695.html

instead of the rubbish they read in a lot of australian media

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*crikey*mate* — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:40:10 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
No, like hiding the facts from the public, he knows about the boat that went down yesterday, but doesn't want us to know, is this a police state? Does the military rule? Has there been a military coup?

don't we get told on friday's?

dunno, haven't really been following it all.

we should be told though, but I do think it should be by a planned release, not just a few facts strung together by a heap of subjection and innuendo etc and trumped up to sell papers.

I'm kind of over all the emotive rhetoric surrounding asylum seekers, it can't be good for them and how they are viewed by the wider community.

what we need to know is what your OP told us, maybe a few more details

a boat sank off Christmas Island (which means it never actually got here if you want to be technical and turn this political)

39 people on board,

all saved by Navy

then maybe

'undergoing medical treatment"

before being transferred to....

and whatever other facts are relevant to the fantastic news that 39 people's lives have been saved after their boat sank.

you know, facts - no need for all the over dramtized emotive stuff. no need for political stuff

Re: Another boat yesterday with 39

topsidesoul — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:40:40 GMT

@poddster wrote:
Donna are you expanding your business to reporting now?
I better warn Rupert that there is competition on the horizon 🙂

Who reports nowdays?

Re: Another boat yesterday with 39

*crikey*mate* — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:44:19 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
I think people need to understand what the indonesions think, as said in this interview it is an international problem, well worth listening to this:

http://media.theage.com.au/news/national-times/tony-abbotts-boat-plan-slammed-4926695.html

instead of the rubbish they read in a lot of australian media

yeah, but that's a different thing to the fact that a boat sank and 39 people were saved.

I don't know how Mr Abbott can stop the boats, well not all of them, but I think the procedures in place will eventually deter a fair few of them, so that's less lives at risk.

dunno really, for me the whole situation is a hard one..

I want the boats to be able to come - heck get yourself to safety however you can, but then there are the smugglers who take advantage of the desperation.

I just wish we could somehow go and collect them all and bring them here safely.

then there would be no need for the boats.

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donnashuggy — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:46:13 GMT

I'm not over it crikey, Abbott needs to be held account for his Lies and this is just one of many

Do you really think the indonesians want the boats back? They aren't going to be deterred in a hurry, watch the video, they basically think Abbott is stupid. Well that is my interpretation.

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topsidesoul — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:48:35 GMT

They should ride dolphins in.

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donnashuggy — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:50:26 GMT

abbott will want to buy the dolphins then ha ha

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*crikey*mate* — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:56:30 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
I'm not over it crikey, Abbott needs to be held account for his Lies and this is just one of many

Do you really think the indonesians want the boats back? They aren't going to be deterred in a hurry, watch the video, they basically think Abbott is stupid. Well that is my interpretation.

donna, he hasn't really lied yet. he's trying to stop the boats, he's putting in place things to try and intercept them and also to deter them, I guess it takes time, even if he does ever become 100% successful (which I doubt) It's not like he came on board and went "meh - I was just kidding, I didn't mean it, I'm not even going to try" maybe in another 2 years we can say he lied if he hasn't given a good effort iykwim

no one can physically stand in front of the boats and stop them

yeah, I know he seems to have some strange ideas of how to stop them, so maybe the answer is to deter them with things like the off shore processing etc, intercepting them.. but it will take time for the message to get through and for people to believe it.

cos then on the other hand you have people advocating for beneficial treatment over and above what is obligated (see today's locked thread) all this continues to make it more appealing for people to try to come. So he's not just trying to contend with the other countries, he's also got to contend with internal force as well. Ya gotta be a bit fair.

I don't know and I am not sure others do either, I started a thread the other day about it, and no one could say what they would do or what they thought should happen - how they thought we could stop the boats..

I don't want to get political, I'm just happy that there are 39 people who have been saved.

wish I knew how to stop them putting themselves in the situation in the first place.

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*crikey*mate* — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:00:33 GMT

Donna, why does it matter if we aren't told until Friday? (is that what happens, we only get one media release about this a week?)

we just need to know the facts etc

does knowing today help you or those involved at all?

does it make a difference to their lives if we know today or in a few days time?

Isn't the important thing that they are safe and we were able to help with their rescue?

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topsidesoul — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:03:56 GMT

@my*mum wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
I'm not over it crikey, Abbott needs to be held account for his Lies and this is just one of many

Do you really think the indonesians want the boats back? They aren't going to be deterred in a hurry, watch the video, they basically think Abbott is stupid. Well that is my interpretation.
donna, he hasn't really lied yet. he's trying to stop the boats, he's putting in place things to try and intercept them and also to deter them, I guess it takes time, even if he does ever become 100% successful (which I doubt) It's not like he came on board and went "meh - I was just kidding, I didn't mean it, I'm not even going to try" maybe in another 2 years we can say he lied if he hasn't given a good effort iykwim

no one can physically stand in front of the boats and stop them

yeah, I know he seems to have some strange ideas of how to stop them, so maybe the answer is to deter them with things like the off shore processing etc, intercepting them.. but it will take time for the message to get through and for people to believe it.

cos then on the other hand you have people advocating for beneficial treatment over and above what is obligated (see today's locked thread) all this continues to make it more appealing for people to try to come. So he's not just trying to contend with the other countries, he's also got to contend with internal force as well. Ya gotta be a bit fair.

I don't know and I am not sure others do either, I started a thread the other day about it, and no one could say what they would do or what they thought should happen - how they thought we could stop the boats..

I don't want to get political, I'm just happy that there are 39 people who have been saved.

wish I knew how to stop them putting themselves in the situation in the first place.

That is wierd because he stated he stopped them in 50 days and says that it was an election promise.

He said this at a Liberal conference in Tasmania.

Oh dear, you better not go speaking on Tony's behalf without finding out what he has been saying.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/tony-abbott-says-his-government-stopped-the-boats-in-50-days/story-e6frf7jo-1226747309368

Sky news, just incase someone doesn't believe the herald

Re: Another boat yesterday with 39

topsidesoul — Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:05:05 GMT

Mymum, your not Peta Credlin by any chance?