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kengillard — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:04:30 GMT

Indonesian spying revealed on ABC.

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cherry*135 — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:07:33 GMT

Any more details?

The Australian Govt spy on Indonesia.

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kengillard — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:07:15 GMT

Bound to encourage good relationships with them and Australia!

NOT

How many millions do they have population wise???? 244 Million I think.

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kengillard — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:08:17 GMT

on abc news at the moment

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cherry*135 — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:10:38 GMT

Yes, around that number for pop of Indonesia. Spying on someone you call 'mates,friends' ?

Australia's relationship with our nearest and most important neighbour is going to be further strained by revelations that Australia's intelligence gathering in Indonesia has gone all the way to the president.

The ABC and the Guardian Australia have obtained documents showing Australian intelligence tracked president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's phone in August 2009 and targeted his wife and his inner circle.

Last week Prime Minister Tony Abbott was keen to play down the significance of spying allegations, saying that he was very pleased "we have such a close, cooperative and constructive relationship with the Indonesian government".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-18/live-australian-spying-reached-indonesian-president/5099236

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debra9275 — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:12:52 GMT

Indonesia has just recalled their Australian ambassador ?

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kengillard — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:14:58 GMT

wellI guess we used to have a good relationship...but not so much now

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poddster — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:19:57 GMT

You have to ask a couple of questions

Who was doing the spying?

how long has it been happening?

Who authorised the spying?

Who exposed the spying?

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lakeland27 — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:30:37 GMT

@poddster wrote:
You have to ask a couple of questions

Who was doing the spying?

how long has it been happening?
Who authorised the spying?

Who exposed the spying?

good try .

aust security agencies

for decades

one would imagine rudd as howard before him and gillard and abbott afterward

snowden.

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acacia_pycnantha — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:36:29 GMT

Indonesia has just recalled their Australian ambassador ?

yes, debra it seems they have.

"Indonesia has recalled its ambassador to Australia over revelations spies targeted the phone of president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, and those of his wife and inner circle.

Documents obtained by the ABC and Guardian Australia show Australian intelligence attempted to listen in to Mr Yudhoyono's telephone conversations on at least one occasion.

Spies also tracked activity on his mobile phone for 15 days in August 2009."

ABC News. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-18/indonesia-angered-by-revelations-australia-spied-on-sby/5100264

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debra9275 — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:51:12 GMT

Thanks acacia, -:)

I thought that was what they said at the end of the news

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topsidesoul — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:53:29 GMT

All countries do it........

Sounds like when your son or daughter gets caught drinking or smoking.

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just_me_karen — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:57:42 GMT

You have to ask a couple of questions

How poorly will Phoney Fibbott handle the situation?

Will he pull out his trusty "you're our best friend" book and his apology notes again? Again.

How much further can the Libs erode our relationship with Indonesia?

Will the Libs tell the Indonesians it's an operational matter and so cannot be discussed? Lol

Take a look at the Jakarta post today and read the opinion page, it's very interesting.

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lakeland27 — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:00:56 GMT

in july 2009 the marriot and the ritz carlton in Jakarta were bombed , the phones hacked in august 2009.

''At around 07:47 until 07:57 WIB (00:47-00:57 UTC) on 17 July 2009,[4] the JW Marriott and Ritz-Carlton Hotels in Jakarta, Indonesia, were hit by separate bombings five minutes apart.[2][5] Three of the seven victims who were killed were Australians, two from The Netherlands, and one each from New Zealand and Indonesia.[2][6] More than 50 people were injured in the blasts.[6][7][8] Both blasts were caused by suicide bombers, who checked into the hotels as paying guests several days earlier.[9] The twin suicide bombings came four years after the last serious terrorist attack in Indonesia.[10]''

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carls*world — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:02:14 GMT

@just_me_karen wrote:
You have to ask a couple of questions

How poorly will Phoney Fibbott handle the situation?

Will he pull out his trusty "you're our best friend" book and his apology notes again? Again.

How much further can the Libs erode our relationship with Indonesia?

Will the Libs tell the Indonesians it's an operational matter and so cannot be discussed? Lol

Take a look at the Jakarta post today and read the opinion page, it's very interesting.

Spies also tracked activity on his mobile phone for 15 days in August 2009."

Of course Abbott is to blame. He obviously started it all.

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lakeland27 — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:05:34 GMT

@carls*world wrote:
@just_me_karen wrote:
You have to ask a couple of questions

How poorly will Phoney Fibbott handle the situation?

Will he pull out his trusty "you're our best friend" book and his apology notes again? Again.

How much further can the Libs erode our relationship with Indonesia?

Will the Libs tell the Indonesians it's an operational matter and so cannot be discussed? Lol

Take a look at the Jakarta post today and read the opinion page, it's very interesting.
Spies also tracked activity on his mobile phone for 15 days in August 2009."

Of course Abbott is to blame. He obviously started it all.

the opposition leader is briefed usually.

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azureline** — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:10:33 GMT

They all knew about it, seems it is common practice and looks like they just were not expecting to get caught.

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just_me_karen — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:16:03 GMT

Exactly, AZ.

And now they've been caught, it will rely on good leadership to deal with the situation.

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carls*world — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:20:15 GMT

@lakeland27 wrote:
@poddster wrote:
You have to ask a couple of questions

Who was doing the spying?

how long has it been happening?
Who authorised the spying?

Who exposed the spying?
good try .
aust security agencies
for decades

one would imagine rudd as howard before him and gillard and abbott afterward
snowden.

Pretty sure you could go back to Menzies' day

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cherry*135 — Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:21:17 GMT

The office of Prime Minister Tony Abbott has released a short statement.

Consistent with long-standing practice of Australian governments, and in the interest of national security, we do not comment on intelligence matters.

Tony Abbot's response:

First of all, all governments gather information and all governments know that every other government gathers information. I should add for the Member's benefit that the Australian government never comments on specific intelligence matters. This has been the long tradition of governments of both political persuasions and I don't intend to change that today.

I should also say that the Australian Government uses all the resources at its disposal, including information to help our friends and our allies, not to harm them. My first duty is to protect Australia and to advance a national interest and I will never ever depart from that.

Consistent with that duty, I will never say or do anything that might damage the strong relationship and the close cooperation that we have with Indonesia, which is all in all, our most important relationship, a relationship that I am determined to foster, a relationship that I am determined will grow stronger in the months and years ahead.