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Theism vs Athesim

k0llectable5 — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 09:43:56 GMT

I wonder are we allowed to have a discussion on this topic. (My mum did teach me the three golden rules of conversation but I'm choosing to ignore her teaching as I find those three topics to be most intersting, important, relevent and necessary to discuss) Especially religion. I do ask though could we please try to be tolerant of peoples views and opinions.

ITS ONLY A DISCUSSION AND WE ARE ALL ADULTS SO PLEASE KEEP PERSONAL INSULTS, HATE COMMENTS AND THE LIKE OUT OF THIS THREAD. IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED OR CANT HANDLE THIS TYPE OF DISCUSSION YOU DONT HAVE TO GET INVOLVED. I"M SO INTERESTED TO HEAR PEOPLES VIEWS.

So whats your view.

Re: Theism vs Athesim

the_bob_delusion — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:01:49 GMT

All theists are atheist except for one God. So the default position is everyone is an Atheist.

There shouldn't even be a word for Atheism.

What do you call a group who doesn't collect stamps? THere is none.

What do you call a group who doesn't believe in UFOs? THere is none.

Re: Theism vs Athesim

chuk_77 — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:06:22 GMT

sshhhh martini, you cant mention that

Re: Theism vs Athesim

the_bob_delusion — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:07:27 GMT

What do you think?

Re: Theism vs Athesim

k0llectable5 — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:18:35 GMT

I can see this thread lasting a whole 5 mins lol

Re: Theism vs Athesim

k0llectable5 — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:22:31 GMT

I've heard that analogy before. I disagree. I think atheism is every bit as much a religion as Christianity, Islam or Judaism. And athiests will defend their (choice) to not believe just as much as any thiest will defend their (choice) to believe.

Re: Theism vs Athesim

darksideofthemoon — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:29:33 GMT

Theists believe in God. A-theists don't believe in God...

Now, the 'A' indicates 'without' and can be found in a great number of words indicating 'without' - hence A-theist is without God.

I could think of lots of examples but not at this time of night

Re: Theism vs Athesim

darksideofthemoon — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:32:50 GMT

Ah ha! lightbulb...

Gnostic = relating to knowledge, especially esoteric mystical knowledge.

A-gnostic = a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.

And with it's good night from me xx

Re: Theism vs Athesim

the_bob_delusion — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:34:40 GMT

@darksideofthemoon wrote:
Theists believe in God. A-theists don't believe in God...

Now, the 'A' indicates 'without' and can be found in a great number of words indicating 'without' - hence A-theist is without God.

I could think of lots of examples but not at this time of night

semantics.

Ask any religious person if they've believe in 9,999 Gods that have ever existed. They'll say no. It's merely semantics. Theists know what it's like to be an atheists to Zeus or Thor.

Re: Theism vs Athesim

azureline** — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:36:17 GMT

I believe in God, my OH is an agnostic.... he believes we don't have the knowledge to determine if there is a God or not.

Re: Theism vs Athesim

the_bob_delusion — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:48:02 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
I believe in God, my OH is an agnostic.... he believes we don't have the knowledge to determine if there is a God or not.

He is absolutely right. People who claim God exist are generally 100% certain. Those who claim Atheists say they don't know but because there's no evidence, there's no reason to believe.

People who claim that Unicorns don't exist don't know with 100% certainty but there's no reason for them to believe they do unless the burden of proof has been met.

I think there's a possibility God as defined by philosopher's can exist. I don't believe the bible God or Koran God exist though.

Re: Theism vs Athesim

azureline** — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:49:53 GMT

@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
@azureline** wrote:
I believe in God, my OH is an agnostic.... he believes we don't have the knowledge to determine if there is a God or not.
He is absolutely right. People who claim God exist are generally 100% certain. Those who claim Atheists say they don't know but because there's no evidence, there's no reason to believe.

People who claim that Unicorns don't exist don't know with 100% certainty but there's no reason for them to believe they do unless the burden of proof has been met.

I think there's a possibility God as defined by philosopher's can exist. I don't believe the bible God or Koran God exist though.

He would agree with that..................

Re: Theism vs Athesim

the_bob_delusion — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:52:37 GMT

Are you 100% certain that the bible God exist Quilts?

Re: Theism vs Athesim

azureline** — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:00:46 GMT

I am as certain as I need to be.

Re: Theism vs Athesim

the_bob_delusion — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:06:47 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
I am as certain as I need to be.

certain enough to bet your life or your kid's life on it?

Re: Theism vs Athesim

azureline** — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:12:09 GMT

I don't gamble.

Re: Theism vs Athesim

the_bob_delusion — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:13:46 GMT

If you're certain then it's not a gamble.

Re: Theism vs Athesim

k0llectable5 — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:17:42 GMT

I would.

But if the shoe was on the other foot would you?

Cos from what I can gather most Athiests know what they dont believe in. But what about what they do believe in. So what is it that defines an Athiest (apart from the not believing in God bit) What is it that compells a person to semanticate themselves into the label of Athiest?

Re: Theism vs Athesim

chuk_77 — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:19:59 GMT

😄 why would az bet her or her kids life on something that only she needs to be comfortable believing in?

What does it matter what she or anyone else believes?

Re: Theism vs Athesim

azureline** — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:31:30 GMT

@**freethinker_bob** wrote:
If you're certain then it's not a gamble.

would you bet yours on your belief?