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Boat arrivals

*crikey*mate* — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:11:31 GMT

Have any unauthorized boats carrying people with the intent to seek asylum in Australia arrived in the past few weeks?

Re: Boat arrivals

just_me_karen — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:12:35 GMT

Yes

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*crikey*mate* — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:13:34 GMT

links, please?

I haven't been able to find anything.

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donnashuggy — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:14:03 GMT

They are being given new UNSINKABLE rafts now to ensure a pleasant journey 🙂

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donnashuggy — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:16:55 GMT

Sorry Crikey, forgot to mention, they are being given to the Crims (really norti bad people) by the man who said he was going to stop them, it's a belated Christmas Gift, isn't that great? 🙂

Re: Boat arrivals

just_me_karen — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:19:01 GMT

It's an operational matter, can't give you a link crikey...besides, I don't link upon order.

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*crikey*mate* — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:20:07 GMT

so, you have no proof?

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nero_bolt — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:20:54 GMT

NIL and NONE in 4 weeks... unlike the labor FAILURES....

So in Capitals NO ARRIVALS IN 4 WEEKS

Abbott's hard line on boat arrivals pays off

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/abbotts-hard-line-on-boat-arrivals-pays-off/story-e6frg76f-1226800135277#

THE Abbott government has won a mighty, if still provisional, victory against people-smugglers. Today, it is just under four weeks during which no illegal immigrant has arrived in Australia by boat, nor been taken into Australian immigration authority for transfer to Manus Island or Nauru.

This is the clearest and most emphatic vindication yet of the electorate's decision to change the government in September.

It may be something of a turning point in modern Australian history. It offers Australia the chance of avoiding the European fate of creating a vast underclass of people alienated from their host society.

In many areas of national policy, the Rudd and Gillard governments had taken Australia down the disastrous European road. The Abbott government is returning to Australian traditions of governance and policy.

While Australia will still be one of the most generous societies in the world to refugees, they will arrive in an orderly and lawful manner and be chosen by Australian authorities.

The determined illegal immigration to Australia of recent years, coming from all corners of the earth but funnelled by boat through our north, will come to an end.

In six years of Labor government, more than 50,000 people arrived illegally by boat with a steady and alarming increase over the years. Hardly any were sent home.

Australia may now have turned the corner on this dark chapter of lost sovereignty and lawless migration, though it is too early to be definitive.

Conditions during most of the past four weeks have been good for sailing. The monsoon has arrived late in Indonesia and is just getting under way. There may well be weeks more before another boat trip is attempted.

The Abbott government will neither confirm nor deny the numbers, but in the past four weeks some five boats have been turned around or towed back towards Indonesia.

Operational secrecy has been central to the success so far.

Operationally, turning boats back is even more effective than transferring people to Manus or Nauru.

The arrival of people in Manus and Nauru often still triggers final payment for the people-smugglers, who continue to tell their customers that people housed on those islands will eventually get to Australia.

Failed illegal arrivals who return to Indonesia, on the other hand, demand their money back and tell everyone they know that the mission was a flop. Even if the boat is sound and the crew competent, they are met by the Australian navy and kept out of Australia.

Meanwhile, Australia continues to have, per capita, the largest permanent refugee resettlement program in the world. But these refugees are not self-selected nor chosen by illegal people-smugglers - they are all genuine refugees, and none of them drowns on the way here.

Nothing has been more controversial than the secrecy which Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has imposed on the operation.

In general, governments are always best advised to be as open and transparent as possible, but this is a uniquely complex policy question. If the government is successful in stopping the boats, people will probably tolerate a good deal of discretion. There are two compelling reasons for the secrecy. The initial proposal to restrict information came from officials. It is no coincidence that this so far remarkably successful operation has been led by a former Special Forces officer, General Angus Campbell.

The key difference between an SAS soldier and everyone else is what the boffins call the internal locus of control. To the greatest extent possible, the SAS imposes its control on a situation. Information is one crucial variable the government can control, so it does just that.

In one press conference Campbell outlined his reasons for wanting to restrict information. People-smugglers use Australian government information to advertise their product and claim payment. They use knowledge of where vessels are intercepted to plan future voyages. They use Australian announcements to claim credit for their product, even to know precisely what their competitors are up to.

Keeping your adversary as much in the dark as possible is an elementary principle of military operations. Information that leaks out is far less valuable to people-smugglers than information that is announced or confirmed by the Australian government.

The involvement of the Australian military has been central to this operation's success. This is not only because the navy has to carry out the most difficult elements of it, but also because the appearance of an Australian general running the operation, standing by the minister at the early weekly briefings, has conveyed a powerful subtext of resolve. The military also has extensive international connections, especially in Southeast Asia. This additional dimension of engagement and dialogue has been critical.

The people-smuggling industry is no longer confronting a Rudd or Gillard government half-heartedly taking measures they don't believe in. Instead, it is confronting an Abbott government, a wholly different beast. And it is confronting an operation led by a distinguished, determined and supremely competent Australian general.

The second reason secrecy is so important is because it is absolutely essential in dealing with the Indonesian government dimension of the policy. The Howard government turned back boats and the Indonesian government accepted this. The Howard government promised never to say anything about this publicly, and kept its word.

While the boat turn-backs have been reported in the media, the Abbott government has not confirmed them, and this gives Jakarta a necessary degree of breathing space.

As you would expect, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees has issued a statement saying the Abbott government may be in breach of international law. This is standard issue UN boilerplate nonsense. There is nothing the Abbott government has done, nor anything the Howard government did before it, which breaches the UN refugee convention in any way.

If Abbott is successful in stopping the boats altogether, the electorate will be satisfied and his government will surely run the line at the next election that a vote for Labor is a vote to restart the illegal boat trade.

Re: Boat arrivals

nero_bolt — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:22:34 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Sorry Crikey, forgot to mention, they are being given to the Crims (really norti bad people) by the man who said he was going to stop them, it's a belated Christmas Gift, isn't that great? 🙂

please offer proof to your statement so it has some credibility... because right now it has zero credibility....

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donnashuggy — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:25:45 GMT

Last time I did that you didn't even acknowledge it nero 🙂 when you do I may think about it, fairs fair 🙂

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*crikey*mate* — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:26:22 GMT

maybe the people smugglers are having a Christmas vacation.

But none in nearly four weeks is pretty good, isn't it?

Has there ever been a period of no arrivals as long as that before?

Nero. may I ask what you believe/know has lead to the lack of arrivals in the last four weeks?

By that I mean, what specific actions that have been taken do you attribute to this?

(genuinely interested)

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nero_bolt — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:27:15 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Last time I did that you didn't even acknowledge it nero 🙂 when you do I may think about it, fairs fair 🙂

please offer proof to your statement so it has some credibility... because right now it has zero credibility....

Re: Boat arrivals

donnashuggy — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:28:22 GMT

Do you want me to post Malcolm Frasers twitter again? Is that what you mean nero?

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*crikey*mate* — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:29:47 GMT

Nero, do you think that the Peace talks in Burma may have reduced the number of people wanting/requiring assylum?

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donnashuggy — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:31:28 GMT

The people smugglers probably think all their Christmas's have come at once, this is much better than getting cash for their leaking boats, they are getting unsinkable ones now 🙂

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*crikey*mate* — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:32:24 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Last time I did that you didn't even acknowledge it nero 🙂 when you do I may think about it, fairs fair 🙂

I'm interested.

I am very interested in how this issue is being handled.

Not from a political perspective, I don't care if Mickey Mouse ends people smuggling.

I am interested to know though if what "we" are doing is having an affect or if there are other external factors.

Re: Boat arrivals

polksaladallie — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:32:11 GMT

NIL and NONE in 4 weeks

Proof, please

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nero_bolt — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:32:49 GMT

@crikey*mate wrote:
maybe the people smugglers are having a Christmas vacation.

But none in nearly four weeks is pretty good, isn't it?

Has there ever been a period of no arrivals as long as that before?

Nero. may I ask what you believe/know has lead to the lack of arrivals in the last four weeks?

By that I mean, what specific actions that have been taken do you attribute to this?

(genuinely interested)

Tony Abbot and the LNP's policies that they took to the electorate is the reason why. The fact Abbott and this govt dont user megaphone diplomacy or run to the press every 10 minutes is working.

The fact he is actually quietly turning back the boats is working

The fact no one gets a visa if they come by boat is working

The fact no one sets foot in Australia if they come by boat unless its on a temp visa is working.

operation sovereign borders is working as it should

Abbott is and his policies are protecting out borders and unlike the screaming lefties/labor and greens who want open borders and a flood of uncontrolled boat people the Australian public dont and Abbott is doing what he said he would do.

The left/labor/green zealots will do all they can to scream and make noise about this but the majority of Australia are not listening to them.

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nero_bolt — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:34:00 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
The people smugglers probably think all their Christmas's have come at once, this is much better than getting cash for their leaking boats, they are getting unsinkable ones now 🙂

please offer proof to your statement that this is actually happening so it has some credibility... because right now it has zero credibility... Its just a throw away 1 line lacking in substance

Re: Boat arrivals

nero_bolt — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:36:37 GMT

@polksaladallie wrote:

NIL and NONE in 4 weeks

Proof, please

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/abbotts-hard-line-on-boat-arrivals-pays-off/story-e6frg76f-1226800135277#