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Refugee burden

***super_nova*** — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 21:14:37 GMT

Just for the records, Germany provides food, health care, financial support, education, housing and does NOT lock up people on remote islands. Italy with a significant refugee issue declares a day of national mourning when a boat capsizes on the Mediterranean and people drown.

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donnashuggy — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 21:17:08 GMT

I am sure some clever person will twist those statistics

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polksaladallie — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 21:26:07 GMT

I heard an interview on ABC this morning with an Indonesian refugee supporter that those asylum seekers who were (or were not) pushed back last week will probably face a prison term of 10 years because that is what Indonesian law provides for.

Great going, morrison

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nero_bolt — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 21:27:24 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
I am sure some clever person will twist those statistics

As you are such a caring person and everyone else is heartless answer these simple questions.. You can give 1 word or even a 1 line answer per question....

How many have you welcomed into your home as boarders as you are so compassionate and a huge advocate of the refugee system and boat people.

How many have you helped financially?

How many have you assisted with your time?

and again... How many have you welcomed into your home as borders?

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nero_bolt — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 21:35:54 GMT

@polksaladallie wrote:
I heard an interview on ABC this morning with an Indonesian refugee supporter that those asylum seekers who were (or were not) pushed back last week will probably face a prison term of 10 years because that is what Indonesian law provides for.

Great going, morrison

Excellent move and now maybe the word will spread that they come through the front door not the back door and the boats will stop even more.

I dont care what other countries are doing, this is Australia and not some other country and I am FED up with paying for these people to queue jump and bleed our system financially and the bleeding hearts out there that live in some sort of alternative universe that has money trees growing and an unlimited supply of recourses and money.

Time we looked after our own people and not queue jumpers.

***super_nova*** as you are such an advocate of speding billions of OUR money on these people, what have you done to help and contribute to the burden and cost?

How many have you welcomed into your home as boarders as you are so compassionate and a huge advocate of the refugee system and boat people.

How many have you helped financially?

How many have you assisted with your time?

and again... How many have you welcomed into your home as borders?

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***super_nova*** — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 21:41:44 GMT

We are not talking about personal help to people; we are talking about Australians (one of the richest nations) complaining about the handful unfortunate people who reach our shores. Australians have this distorted view that ALL the refugees are heading this way. They are not. Australians think that the refugees who make it here get extraordinary help here; they do not. Actually, i cannot think of another country that treats them as badly as we do.

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boris1gary — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 21:51:10 GMT

Or just answer with questions and demand that you answer. I mean really - when someone says "I believe in God" do we demand -

just answer this - have you ever seen God, Have you let God have dinner at your house, Have you ever assisted God financially, obviously if you answer no to any of these questions then you don't really believe in God.

Or what about "I agree with saving our Whales" - questions would be - How many whales have you personally saved from death - oh none - then you must be lying.

It's an odd way of arguing a point, as far as i know these boards are not a court of law and nobody is obliged to answer, how about we try and stick to FACTS.

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i-need-a-martini — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 21:55:27 GMT

@nero_wulf wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
I am sure some clever person will twist those statistics
As you are such a caring person and everyone else is heartless answer these simple questions.. You can give 1 word or even a 1 line answer per question....

How many have you welcomed into your home as boarders as you are so compassionate and a huge advocate of the refugee system and boat people.

How many have you helped financially?

How many have you assisted with your time?

and again... How many have you welcomed into your home as borders?

Pretty dumb questions.

You don't need to give over a room in your house to board a refugee to show compassion and empathy.

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donnashuggy — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 21:57:18 GMT

It's actually pointless to answer because it only gets more personal, I have to live with that as I post with my trading id and don't change id's in order to prove a point.

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i-need-a-martini — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:00:10 GMT

@nero_wulf wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
I am sure some clever person will twist those statistics
As you are such a caring person and everyone else is heartless answer these simple questions.. You can give 1 word or even a 1 line answer per question....

How many have you welcomed into your home as boarders as you are so compassionate and a huge advocate of the refugee system and boat people.

How many have you helped financially?

How many have you assisted with your time?

and again... How many have you welcomed into your home as borders?

And if you consider these questions as showing proof that a 'person' really cares then perhaps you could ask the country/Abbott the same question:

Australia - how many have you welcomed onto your land.

"Not many actually. Infact. I have a closed door policy when it comes to refugees."

Australia - how many have you helped finiancially.

"Well I kind of leave that to the charities and Australian citizens to sort out."

Australia- how many have you assisted with yout ime.

"Well a lot of time has been spend trying to get them out of here. Is that what you mean?"

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izabsmiling — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:09:34 GMT

As you say Nero Wulf this is Australia ...our Country is signed up to the Refugee Convention

People can seek Asylum by boat or by sea ...with or without papers

If we were landlocked by another country they could do so by walking or driving in

The act of allowing people to ask for Asylum is part of our/this (sorry I don't know if you are Australian and/or live in Australia)

Country called Australia

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boris1gary — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:26:58 GMT

Whats our unlimited supply of recourses? You may answer however you wish.

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bluecat*dancing — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:29:28 GMT

What I don't understand is the level of animosity towards asylum seekers. Murderers, paedophiles, etc, I can understand the hatred but not when its aimed at people who need help.

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**meep** — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:35:28 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
I am sure some clever person will twist those statistics

Not really sure how you can twist statistics. It is true that only a small number of countries participate in the refugee resettlement program with Australia being third largest per capita. Not sure why this fact is never highlighted when providing statistics.

There has been a wave of protests against Germany's asylum policy in the past week - and they are becoming more radical. Around 30 asylum seekers in Berlin have gone on hunger strike.

In Germany, asylum seekers are put in communal housing, have only limited rights to travel within the country and are not given work permits. "Some of us have been waiting for two or three years for asylum applications to be acknowledged," says Akili. "Refusing food is the only path we have left."

http://www.dw.de/deaths-possible-at-refugee-hunger-strike-in-berlin/a-17164557

When one of the boats doesn't reach the shore, the number of victims is very high, and the world's attention briefly turns to Sicily and Lampedusa. If the migrants are caught on their journey, they are put in a camp where they are supposed to be held for only for a few days, but in reality they often spend months waiting. The public and media usually has no access to the camps. http://www.dw.de/migrants-in-italy-struggle-against-illegal-status-exploitation/a-17168175

The challenges facing EU are very different to Australia but if you want to make comparisons, here is a good source of information re the situation and proposed solutions:

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/immigration/irregular-immigration/index_en.htm

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azureline** — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:37:46 GMT

@bluecat*dancing wrote:
What I don't understand is the level of animosity towards asylum seekers. Murderers, paedophiles, etc, I can understand the hatred but not when its aimed at people who need help.

exactly, I find this so hard to understand, the numbers are so small, why???? is it the whole "no one gives me anything for free" thing?

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*mrgrizz* — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:14:33 GMT

gotta love when some one makes a nice pretty picture

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boris1gary — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:35:14 GMT

First you make a law that makes them "illegal" = they then become law breakers - who breaks the law? Criminals.

then you hint that they could even be "terrorists" = even worse criminals.

then you give people the idea that these criminals are queue jumpers (and who doesn't get annoyed by queue jumpers), that they have done something that just isn't fair to the "other non-criminals" that are patiently waiting in these non-existent queues.

then you convince people that actually we are very very over populated and running out of rescources (or is that recourses) so really we only have enough in the cupboard to feed ourselves

Then you sit back and watch and enjoy.

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**meep** — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:41:08 GMT

@*mrgrizz* wrote:
gotta love when some one makes a nice pretty picture

I hope the picture doesn't come from the usual sources such as phonytobyabbott.com. I can't quite make out the source of it, the print is too blurry but I am hoping the information came from here http://www.unhcr.org/52af08d26.html

which gives you a more clear understanding and you can see Australia's contribution in context.

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lurker17260 — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:51:49 GMT

This is what I can read meep

ALL DATA PROVIDED BY UNHCR

http://unhcr.org/globaltrendsjune2013/UNHCR%20GLOBAL%20TRENDS%202012_V05.pdf

INFO GRAPHIC PREPARED BY ASRC WWW.ASRC.ORG.AU AND DESIGNED BY ALTEREGO CONSULTING AND DESIGN

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polksaladallie — Tue, 14 Jan 2014 00:03:36 GMT

What is the movie that has a border in the house? I know, War of the Roses.

BOARDER BOARDER BOARDER BOARDER BOARDER BOARDER

There, I've done your homework for you