topic Re: What happened to their hands do you think? in Community Spirit

What happened to their hands do you think?

donnashuggy — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:32:59 GMT

http://www.news.com.au/national/indonesia-gears-up-its-military-as-senior-politician-labels-australia-the-countrys-greatest-threat/story-fncynjr2-1226808529340

It looks a bit worrying doesn't it?

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

the*scarlet*pimpernel — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:39:00 GMT

burnt them on the engine whilst they were trying to disable the boat.

Does Indonesia apologise when their fishing boats enter Australian waters

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

the_great_she_elephant — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:41:23 GMT

I think it's probably only posturing, Donna - I doubt if the Indonesion Government is really any more concerned about the treatment of asylum seekers then our own Government is. However, IF the allegations turn out to be true, then one or two pollies (and at least one poster here) are going to be left with rather a lot of egg on their faces.

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

punch*drunk — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:42:26 GMT

Whose hands?

Its good that indonesia are ramping up their security, they might be able to catch some of those people smugglers and save us some money.

While they are at it, maybe they could stop the scavengers that are salvaging HMAS Perth and perhaps protect what is now left of our ship and the 350 souls that went down with her.

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

polksaladallie — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:45:54 GMT

I do not believe that the Australian personnel have abused these asylum seekers. I'm sure they get very frustrated, but I don't believe they would do this. I will be very interested in any investigation.

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

bluecat*dancing — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:46:28 GMT

Their hands looked burnt and I hope that our navy were not responsible and that Morrison is telling the truth.

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

catsnknots — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:50:31 GMT

Finally.... now they can go to the rescue of the people in boats.... we can divert all calls that we get to the Indonesians and we won't have to cross into their waters at all any more... woot. That will save us $$ Millions.

Funny that it is ok for us to go into their waters to pick up boat people and bring them back here but to go into their water to turn them back is not allowed....

If you did your research OP you would have found that the people on those boats burnt their own hands while trying to disable their vessel so that we would be forced to take them.

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

punch*drunk — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:50:37 GMT

Oh I see, there's a clip, not just the story. Seems unlikely our Navy would do something like that. I doubt anything will come of it.

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

boris1gary — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:51:15 GMT

It is worrying and this is what happens when we have a racist, arrogant PM and govt.

the following is from The Jakarta Post

Tension between the two neighbors reached a new height Wednesday after Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that stopping the boats was “a matter of sovereignty” and Jakarta should understand Canberra was taking the issue seriously.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who suspended cooperation with Australia following allegations that it attempted to spy on him and members of his inner circle, skipped the Davos meeting to oversee the handling of recent nationwide flooding and the eruption of the Mount Sinabung volcano.

Abbott’s statement came only days after Australia admitted that its naval ships had entered Indonesian waters. It later apologized to Indonesia for the incursion.

Political, Legal and Security Affairs Minister Djoko Suyanto said it was Australia that should respect Indonesia’s sovereignty, “which was violated by the Australian navy.”

“Asylum seekers that have entered a country, including Australia, must be managed according to the UN Convention on Refugees,” he asserted in a written statement.

Australia is a signatory to the convention. He added that the country concerned must also handle the problem in cooperation with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) or the International Organization for Migration (IOM).

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

donnashuggy — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:57:01 GMT

If you did your research OP you would have found that the people on those boats burnt their own hands while trying to disable their vessel so that we would be forced to take them.

I clearly have not researched, the article was published a few minutes before I posted it cat 🙂

Thanks for telling me what you think happened though, that is what the thread is for as suggested in the OP 🙂

I also doubt the Navy had anything to do with it, will be interesting to find out the truth though, won't it?

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

catsnknots — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:58:47 GMT

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asylum-seekers-burns-claims-baseless-say-australian-defence-chiefs-20140122-3196l.html

The Chief of Navy, Vice-Admiral Ray Griggs, has flatly denied that Australian sailors inflicted burns to asylum seekers' hands by forcing them to hold hot sections of a boat engine.

After footage and photos emerged showing male asylum seekers with burn-like injuries to their hands, Admiral Griggs took to Twitter on Wednesday afternoon to dismiss the claims as baseless.

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

donnashuggy — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 05:02:21 GMT

Do you know what happened to their instruments when they went into Indonesian waters catmad? Was it 7 times?

On sky right now they are saying the Navy has produced no evidence to prove anything

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

catsnknots — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 05:06:05 GMT

@boris1gary wrote:
It is worrying and this is what happens when we have a racist, arrogant PM and govt.

the following is from The Jakarta Post
Tension between the two neighbors reached a new height Wednesday after Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that stopping the boats was “a matter of sovereignty” and Jakarta should understand Canberra was taking the issue seriously.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who suspended cooperation with Australia following allegations that it attempted to spy on him and members of his inner circle, skipped the Davos meeting to oversee the handling of recent nationwide flooding and the eruption of the Mount Sinabung volcano.

Abbott’s statement came only days after Australia admitted that its naval ships had entered Indonesian waters. It later apologized to Indonesia for the incursion.

Political, Legal and Security Affairs Minister Djoko Suyanto said it was Australia that should respect Indonesia’s sovereignty, “which was violated by the Australian navy.”

“Asylum seekers that have entered a country, including Australia, must be managed according to the UN Convention on Refugees,” he asserted in a written statement.

Australia is a signatory to the convention. He added that the country concerned must also handle the problem in cooperation with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) or the International Organization for Migration (IOM).

Boris, do you understand that there is a very emotive political campaign going on in Indonesia right now because there is an election coming up??? YOu think our last three years was bad?? Multiply that 10 fold!!

They hate the refugees coming through their country... they think Australia is to blame and think we should pick them all up at the airport when they arrive there. Have you read how the refugees there get beaten and locked up?

Why don't the Indonesians manage the people the way the UN Convention on Refugees states they should be handled?

Don't worry... Indonesia won't get too angry, they will always like us enough to take our multi million dollar aid package.

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

catsnknots — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 05:07:24 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Do you know what happened to their instruments when they went into Indonesian waters catmad? Was it 7 times?

On sky right now they are saying the Navy has produced no evidence to prove anything

They probably did enter their waters...

like we have many times when we have to save those poor souls in boats that are sinking...

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-to-cooperate-with-indonesian-probe-into-asylum-seeker-burn-claims-20140123-319xh.html

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

icyfroth — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 05:34:09 GMT

"Australian sailors inflicted burns to asylum seekers' hands by forcing them to hold hot sections of a boat engine."

Pics or it didn't happen

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

boris1gary — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 05:36:28 GMT

Catmad, where did you get all that information about how the Indonesians feel and think?

One of my relatives has been living and working there for more than 10 years and has a decidedly different opinion.

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

catsnknots — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 05:39:03 GMT

Boris I read more than the ABC websites.. lol

I saw it is a doco about refugees and people smugglers.

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

donnashuggy — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 05:47:42 GMT

It is fairly difficult to know what is going on, journalists are taking what they can get I suppose, even if it is accusations of the navy burning hands, this will keep happening if we don't get told things.

I don't think there is any doubt that our new government is very popular over there.

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

donnashuggy — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 05:48:34 GMT

forgot to add sarcastic smile there 🙂

Re: What happened to their hands do you think?

icyfroth — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 06:16:01 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
It is fairly difficult to know what is going on, journalists are taking what they can get I suppose, even if it is accusations of the navy burning hands, this will keep happening if we don't get told things.

I don't think there is any doubt that our new government is very popular over there.

at least the poplation there is loyal to their government, to a man. Unlike here.