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Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

icyfroth — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 23:36:41 GMT

Captain Cook's cottage has been vandalised with anti-Australia Day graffiti for a second year in a row.

The historic building was spray-painted with slogans including "26th Jan Australia's shame" and "F*** Aus Day".Council workers have arrived to clean-off the paint and police are inspecting the damage.

The building was vandalised with similar slogans in February last year.

Anarchist blog "disaccords" claimed responsibility for the 2013 graffiti, saying in an online statement the denial of Australia's "brutal" history was nowhere more evident than on Australia Day.

"This is why we trashed the absurd shrine to genocide, Captain Cook's Cottage, with paint," the bloggers wrote last year.

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That's sad. There's no denial. Sorry was said. What more is there to say?

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

punch*drunk — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 23:45:34 GMT

Cant imagine what they are trying to acheive apart from more division and upset between people.

Perhaps some security would have been a good idea as its clearly not the first time. I hope they have put some security around the shrine this year after last years vandalism effort there.

A bit of jail time would be good for idiots that do this stuff.

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

meh_too — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:47:51 GMT

What does Captain Cook have to do with Australia Day.

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

spotweldersfriend — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:51:36 GMT

I suspect a splinter group from SILO are responsible.

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

icyfroth — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:54:32 GMT

@meh_too wrote:
What does Captain Cook have to do with Australia Day.

People with the mentality to do this sort of graffiti vandalism probably wouldn't have a clue.

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

ca04 — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:56:48 GMT

"This is why we trashed the absurd shrine to genocide,

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If therer was genocide then there would be none of them left.

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the denial of Australia's "brutal" history

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History does not appear to be their strong point it is in the history books.

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

izabsmiling — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 02:29:25 GMT

Stolen Generations listed as genocide

ROSEMARY SORENSEN AND ASHLEIGH WILSON
THE AUSTRALIAN
MARCH 24, 2008 12:00AM

THE forced removal of children from Aboriginal families has been included in an international compilation of genocide events, reviving the controversy about the use of the term to describe the Stolen Generations.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/stolen-generations-listed-as-genocide/story-e6frg6nf-1111115870201

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

amalan11 — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 04:05:05 GMT

Its strange I think it may be a coordinated campaign as im in Sydney and Capt cook cottage is Melbourne .Yesterday I saw the back wall in the carpark of Tempe station has much the same kind of thing with very similar wording ,and I heard on the news that it was also being cleaned off in I think Sans Souci near me

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

icyfroth — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 04:13:24 GMT

@izabsmiling wrote:
Stolen Generations listed as genocide
ROSEMARY SORENSEN AND ASHLEIGH WILSON
THE AUSTRALIAN
MARCH 24, 2008 12:00AM

THE forced removal of children from Aboriginal families has been included in an international compilation of genocide events, reviving the controversy about the use of the term to describe the Stolen Generations.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/stolen-generations-listed-as-genocide/story-e6frg6nf-1111115870201

Fair enough, Iza but what does that have to do with Australia Day?

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

izabsmiling — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 04:16:30 GMT

@amalan11 wrote:
Its strange I think it may be a coordinated campaign as im in Sydney and Capt cook cottage is Melbourne .Yesterday I saw the back wall in the carpark of Tempe station has much the same kind of thing with very similar wording ,and I heard on the news that it was also being cleaned off in I think Sans Souci near me

it's possible ?

Campaigners call for Melbourne memorial to executed Aborigines to rival status of Captain Cook's cottage

21 January 2014

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/campaigners-call-for-melbourne-memorial-to-executed-aborigines-to-rival-status-of-captain-cooks-cottage-20140120-314u2.html#ixzz2rHnP1k2c

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

punch*drunk — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 04:20:42 GMT

@izabsmiling wrote:
@amalan11 wrote:
Its strange I think it may be a coordinated campaign as im in Sydney and Capt cook cottage is Melbourne .Yesterday I saw the back wall in the carpark of Tempe station has much the same kind of thing with very similar wording ,and I heard on the news that it was also being cleaned off in I think Sans Souci near me
it's possible ?

Campaigners call for Melbourne memorial to executed Aborigines to rival status of Captain Cook's cottage
21 January 2014

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/campaigners-call-for-melbourne-memorial-to-executed-aborigines-to-rival-status-of-captain-cooks-cottage-20140120-314u2.html#ixzz2rHnP1k2c

In 1841 Tunnerminnerwait and Maulboyheenner and three indigenous women stole guns, and in a six week, guerilla-style campaign against authorities in the Dandenongs and the Mornington Peninsula, burnt and stole from houses and killed two whalers.

Hardly pillars of the aboriginal community. There must be better examples that they could use for a memorial.

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

vampire-teddy — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 04:21:14 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@izabsmiling wrote:
Stolen Generations listed as genocide
ROSEMARY SORENSEN AND ASHLEIGH WILSON
THE AUSTRALIAN
MARCH 24, 2008 12:00AM

THE forced removal of children from Aboriginal families has been included in an international compilation of genocide events, reviving the controversy about the use of the term to describe the Stolen Generations.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/stolen-generations-listed-as-genocide/story-e6frg6nf-1111115870201

Fair enough, Iza but what does that have to do with Australia Day?

a great deal considering the day is about celebrating an the beginning of a nation based on genocide and disgusting treatment of the original inhabitants of the country.

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

izabsmiling — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 04:23:49 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@izabsmiling wrote:
Stolen Generations listed as genocide
ROSEMARY SORENSEN AND ASHLEIGH WILSON
THE AUSTRALIAN
MARCH 24, 2008 12:00AM

THE forced removal of children from Aboriginal families has been included in an international compilation of genocide events, reviving the controversy about the use of the term to describe the Stolen Generations.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/stolen-generations-listed-as-genocide/story-e6frg6nf-1111115870201

Fair enough, Iza but what does that have to do with Australia Day?

and from your OP

That's sad. There's no denial. Sorry was said. What more is there to say?

when we don't need to ask such thing....we may be there ?

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

boris1gary — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 04:41:54 GMT

There is lot more to be done, words alone aren't enough. If someone punches me in the face, say's sorry, then does it again...well I think you get my point.

As for the anarchists, not a supporter in any way, shape or form and i certainly don't agree with silly, childish act's of vandalism.

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

icyfroth — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 04:50:41 GMT

@vampire-teddy wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@izabsmiling wrote:
Stolen Generations listed as genocide
ROSEMARY SORENSEN AND ASHLEIGH WILSON
THE AUSTRALIAN
MARCH 24, 2008 12:00AM

THE forced removal of children from Aboriginal families has been included in an international compilation of genocide events, reviving the controversy about the use of the term to describe the Stolen Generations.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/stolen-generations-listed-as-genocide/story-e6frg6nf-1111115870201

Fair enough, Iza but what does that have to do with Australia Day?

a great deal considering the day is about celebrating an the beginning of a nation based on genocide and disgusting treatment of the original inhabitants of the country.

erm...no argument there, but none of that happened on the 26th of January 1788. And an apology was given by Mr Rudd and accepted. What can be said and done to make it be undone?

And if it interests you at all, the white convicts were brutalised and treated as cruelly and dehumanised as much if not more than the aborigines for many many years.

By all means campaign to have Australia Day abolished if you feel that strongly, instead of running around graffiti-ing hate speech on historical buildings.

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

izabsmiling — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 04:54:25 GMT

Vampire Teddy, didn't post that she/he wanted the day abolished nor did she/he post admiding to vandalising anything as far as I can see ?

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

icyfroth — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 04:58:48 GMT

@izabsmiling wrote:
Vampire Teddy, didn't post that she/he wanted the day abolished nor did she/he post admiding to vandalising anything as far as I can see ?

I know. I was referring to the graffiti vandals.

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

izabsmiling — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 05:25:30 GMT

Icy, I don't disagree with your disapproval of the act of graffitti and vandalism ....wherever it happens and whoever does it .

and re Australia Day . I agree with much of this article

Patriotism has its ugly side. But Australia Day offers genuine opportunities to celebrate success and togetherness, too.

...A patriot is committed, of course, to the proposition that nations can determine who they admit into their membership. But this gives no licence for the demonisation of those who don't look like ''one of us''. It is no excuse for the callous treatment of those who breach no law in seeking sanctuary from persecution. We must not underestimate the potential consequences of invoking fear - or, as has been happening lately, employing the language of war.

It's not just that such language runs counter to the spirit of Australia's moral and legal obligations as a liberal democratic nation. Playing on fear and manufacturing martial anxiety also feeds a nasty xenophobia - one that may be difficult to contain. Not everyone makes a distinction between an asylum seeker, a refugee, a skilled migrant, a second-generation Australian, or an indigenous Australian. If we're not careful, we could end up contaminating our social cohesion and racial harmony.

There may be a time in the future when we have an opportunity to forge a new national day, free of the ambivalence that accompanies Australia Day. But for now, January 26 is it. Let's use it as an occasion to celebrate our achievements and reflect on the things that we share as Australians.

Let's also use it to ask whether our country is living up to the best of its traditions. In the words of one patriot, ''My country, right or wrong: if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.''

Tim Soutphommasane is federal Race Discrimination Commissioner and a board member of the National Australia Day Council. This is an edited extract of his Australia Day Address in Hobart tonight.

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**meep** — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 06:00:43 GMT

Earlier this month, La Trobe University professor Robert Manne said it was now "generally acknowledged" that the authors of the Bringing Them Home report were wrong to argue that Australian authorities had committed genocide by removing indigenous children from their families.

Writing in the March edition of The Monthly, Professor Manne says "assimilation has never been regarded in law as equivalent to genocide".

"There is almost no one who would now support the way Bringing Them Home arrived at the conclusion that Aboriginal child removal policies involved the crime of genocide," Professor Manne writes.

Re: Captain Cook's Cottage Vandalised

izabsmiling — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 06:42:50 GMT

@**meep** wrote:
Earlier this month, La Trobe University professor Robert Manne said it was now "generally acknowledged" that the authors of the Bringing Them Home report were wrong to argue that Australian authorities had committed genocide by removing indigenous children from their families.

Writing in the March edition of The Monthly, Professor Manne says "assimilation has never been regarded in law as equivalent to genocide".

"There is almost no one who would now support the way Bringing Them Home arrived at the conclusion that Aboriginal child removal policies involved the crime of genocide," Professor Manne writes.

I do and I am alive

Article II. In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: a) Killing members of the group; b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

http://www.edwebproject.org/sideshow/genocide/convention.html