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Slick Tony's Indigenous insincerity

boris1gary — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 01:32:15 GMT

Slick Tony's Indigenous insincerity

“There is no country on Earth where people are made more welcome. There is no country on Earth whose people have more innate generosity to others. Yet for two centuries – with fragrant [sic] exceptions, of course – Australians had collectively failed to show to Aboriginal people the personal generosity and warmth of welcome that we have habitually extended to the stranger in our midst.”

These words are chilling, for their shameless, delued deception.

The Prime Minister’s speech requires a fierce riposte, on two grounds.

Firstly, Australia cannot currently claim to be a generous welcoming country.

We are not showing warmth to the stranger, as Prime Minister Abbott claims. In fact, in our name, Abbott’s Government is treating men women and children fleeing persecution with appalling cruelty. Australia does not welcome refugees or offer them safety. We push them back into the sea. We send them back to the horrors from which they have fled. We incarcerate, injure, threaten and destroy them.

Secondly, Abbott speaks of our failure to offer warmth and welcome to Indigenous people.

By this Abbott claims that it is white Australia welcoming a stranger to these shores. That’s right — a stranger?

Indigenous people have lived in this land for at least 60,000 years — to suggest they are strangers in this country is beyond idiotic and embarrassing and strays into being downright offensive.

It is white settlers who became the strangers in another people’s land. It is the white people who stole the land and committed the murders and took the children from their mothers. It is us, white people, who are the violent invaders — who did not deserve to be welcomed.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/slick-tonys-indigenous-insincerity,6194

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darksideofthemoon — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 06:48:45 GMT

On top of all that boris.. he really should learn to speak English....

Slick Tony's Indigenous insincerity

“There is no country on Earth where people are made more welcome. There is no country on Earth whose people have more innate generosity to others. Yet for two centuries – with fragrant [sic] exceptions, of course – Australians had collectively failed to show to Aboriginal people the personal generosity and warmth of welcome that we have habitually extended to the stranger in our midst.”

Fragrant: smelling lovely, like roses.

He should have said Flagrant: exposed actions contrary to decency.

As for the dreadful mistakes he is making, it makes me want to cringe. How can he be Prime Minister with so little real education?

At least people like Bob Menzies and Bob Hawke had a real education that fitted them for the position, but the Prime Ministers we seem to be landed with at present... Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard and now Tony Abbott... really they leave me ashamed to be Australian.

When are we going to be able to vote in educated people again?

As for how the indigenous people of Australia were treated.... he could try reading a bit of REAL history before he tries to hood wink us again... He could even come down to Tasmania and talk to some of the survivors of those dreadful days.

BAH!

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bluecat*dancing — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 07:06:47 GMT

The only thing, so far, that Abbott has done that I agree with,is his stance on Recognising the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders in the Constitution with a referendum expected in September.[I'm certain that Gillard had promised the same]. However, I hope that the wording is appropriate.

http://www.recognise.org.au/

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spotweldersfriend — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 07:15:40 GMT

Tony has been caught out in fragrante delicto 😄

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lakeland27 — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 07:22:00 GMT

the first thing i'm going to do the first thing i'm going to do.

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boris1gary — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 07:46:29 GMT

@lakeland27 wrote:
the first thing i'm going to do the first thing i'm going to do.

is lie about the 1st, 2nd and 3rd thing I wasn't going to do.

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languidlady49 — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:34:24 GMT

he didn't call Aboriginal people strangers, he said we treat strangers better than Aboriginal people.

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colic2bullsgirlore — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:05:31 GMT

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boris1gary — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 21:39:43 GMT

Firstly, Australia cannot currently claim to be a generous welcoming country.

We are not showing warmth to the stranger, as Prime Minister Abbott claims. In fact, in our name, Abbott’s Government is treating men women and children fleeing persecution with appalling cruelty. Australia does not welcome refugees or offer them safety. We push them back into the sea. We send them back to the horrors from which they have fled. We incarcerate, injure, threaten and destroy them.

Secondly, Abbott speaks of our failure to offer warmth and welcome to Indigenous people.

By this Abbott claims that it is white Australia welcoming a stranger to these shores. That’s right — a stranger?

Indigenous people have lived in this land for at least 60,000 years — to suggest they are strangers in this country is beyond idiotic and embarrassing and strays into being downright offensive.

@languidlady49 wrote:
he didn't call Aboriginal people strangers, he said we treat strangers better than Aboriginal people.

maybe have misread and/or misunderstood the article.

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freakiness — Mon, 24 Feb 2014 01:07:22 GMT

@languidlady49 wrote:
he didn't call Aboriginal people strangers, he said we treat strangers better than Aboriginal people.

No, he said we extend our welcome more to strangers than we welcome aboriginal people.

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monman12 — Mon, 24 Feb 2014 02:19:30 GMT

"On top of all that boris.. he really should learn to speak English...." DSOTM perhaps you might also note this earlier statement above from boris : "These words are chilling, for their shameless, delued deception."

In a debate (speech) "typos" and malapropisms are to be expected, and normally unworthy of comment!! However, I suggest you read Abbots speech here, because I would suggest that contextually the use of "fragrant" within: "with fragrant [sic] exceptions " is fitting and grammatical..

Take a look at these two statements below, and remember Abbott is pointing out that for a couple of centuries Australians had collectively failed to show to Aboriginal people personal generosity and warmth, BUT with some exceptions which were, good/welcome/sweet etc. Inserting your interpretation translates as:

Yet for two centuries – with exposed actions contrary to decency exceptions, Which is the exact opposite of the intended meaning which is:

Yet for two centuries – with fragrant [sic] exceptions, of course.

I think "fragrant" is correct within the speech, I would prefer "sweet" though, and that "flagrant" DSTOM would be grammatically incorrect.

Perhabs the earlier term from B1G is applicable : "delued deception"

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monman12 — Mon, 24 Feb 2014 02:42:52 GMT

"he didn't call Aboriginal people strangers, he said we treat strangers better than Aboriginal people."
I agree with you LL49."

"No, he said we extend our welcome more to strangers than we welcome aboriginal people."
I disagree FN, read the speech and post the link/excerpt for your version. Here is an excerpt from the actual speech:

"Australians had collectively failed to show to Aboriginal people the personal generosity and warmth of welcome that we have habitually extended to the stranger in our midst.” This what LL49 indicated, and with which I agree.

The speech also contains this:

"I pay tribute to former prime minister John Howard for first proposing to recognise indigenous people in the constitution."

"I pay tribute to former prime minister Kevin Rudd for the national apology."

"I commend former prime minister Julia Gillard for continuing these annual Closing the Gap statements to focus the parliament’s attention on problems that might otherwise be neglected or glossed over."

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boris1gary — Mon, 24 Feb 2014 02:43:26 GMT

@monman12 wrote:
"On top of all that boris.. he really should learn to speak English...." DSOTM perhaps you might also note this earlier statement above from boris : "These words are chilling, for their shameless, delued deception."

In a debate (speech) "typos" and malapropisms are to be expected, and normally unworthy of comment!! However, I suggest you read Abbots speech here, because I would suggest that contextually the use of "fragrant" within: "with fragrant [sic] exceptions " is fitting and grammatical..

Take a look at these two statements below, and remember Abbott is pointing out that for a couple of centuries Australians had collectively failed to show to Aboriginal people personal generosity and warmth, BUT with some exceptions which were, good/welcome/sweet etc. Inserting your interpretation translates as:

Yet for two centuries – with exposed actions contrary to decency exceptions, Which is the exact opposite of the intended meaning which is:
Yet for two centuries – with fragrant [sic] exceptions, of course.

I think "fragrant" is correct within the speech, I would prefer "sweet" though, and that "flagrant" DSTOM would be grammatically incorrect.
Perhabs the earlier term from B1G is applicable : "delued deception"
nɥºɾ

I would prefer you stop making your posts personal, the article was not written by me. thank you.

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*mrgrizz* — Mon, 24 Feb 2014 02:53:30 GMT

@boris1gary wrote:
@monman12 wrote:
"On top of all that boris.. he really should learn to speak English...." DSOTM perhaps you might also note this earlier statement above from boris : "These words are chilling, for their shameless, delued deception."

In a debate (speech) "typos" and malapropisms are to be expected, and normally unworthy of comment!! However, I suggest you read Abbots speech here, because I would suggest that contextually the use of "fragrant" within: "with fragrant [sic] exceptions " is fitting and grammatical..

Take a look at these two statements below, and remember Abbott is pointing out that for a couple of centuries Australians had collectively failed to show to Aboriginal people personal generosity and warmth, BUT with some exceptions which were, good/welcome/sweet etc. Inserting your interpretation translates as:

Yet for two centuries – with exposed actions contrary to decency exceptions, Which is the exact opposite of the intended meaning which is:
Yet for two centuries – with fragrant [sic] exceptions, of course.

I think "fragrant" is correct within the speech, I would prefer "sweet" though, and that "flagrant" DSTOM would be grammatically incorrect.
Perhabs the earlier term from B1G is applicable : "delued deception"
nɥºɾ

I would prefer you stop making your posts personal, the article was not written by me. thank you.

yeh it is propaganda from that site you keep pasting from

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boris1gary — Mon, 24 Feb 2014 03:07:38 GMT

@*mrgrizz* wrote:
@boris1gary wrote:
@monman12 wrote:
"On top of all that boris.. he really should learn to speak English...." DSOTM perhaps you might also note this earlier statement above from boris : "These words are chilling, for their shameless, delued deception."

In a debate (speech) "typos" and malapropisms are to be expected, and normally unworthy of comment!! However, I suggest you read Abbots speech here, because I would suggest that contextually the use of "fragrant" within: "with fragrant [sic] exceptions " is fitting and grammatical..

Take a look at these two statements below, and remember Abbott is pointing out that for a couple of centuries Australians had collectively failed to show to Aboriginal people personal generosity and warmth, BUT with some exceptions which were, good/welcome/sweet etc. Inserting your interpretation translates as:

Yet for two centuries – with exposed actions contrary to decency exceptions, Which is the exact opposite of the intended meaning which is:
Yet for two centuries – with fragrant [sic] exceptions, of course.

I think "fragrant" is correct within the speech, I would prefer "sweet" though, and that "flagrant" DSTOM would be grammatically incorrect.
Perhabs the earlier term from B1G is applicable : "delued deception"
nɥºɾ

I would prefer you stop making your posts personal, the article was not written by me. thank you.
yeh it is propaganda from that site you keep pasting from

and the point of the above is...............

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boris1gary — Mon, 24 Feb 2014 03:09:59 GMT

@boris1gary wrote:
@monman12 wrote:
"On top of all that boris.. he really should learn to speak English...." DSOTM perhaps you might also note this earlier statement above from boris : "These words are chilling, for their shameless, delued deception."

In a debate (speech) "typos" and malapropisms are to be expected, and normally unworthy of comment!! However, I suggest you read Abbots speech here, because I would suggest that contextually the use of "fragrant" within: "with fragrant [sic] exceptions " is fitting and grammatical..

Take a look at these two statements below, and remember Abbott is pointing out that for a couple of centuries Australians had collectively failed to show to Aboriginal people personal generosity and warmth, BUT with some exceptions which were, good/welcome/sweet etc. Inserting your interpretation translates as:

Yet for two centuries – with exposed actions contrary to decency exceptions, Which is the exact opposite of the intended meaning which is:
Yet for two centuries – with fragrant [sic] exceptions, of course.

I think "fragrant" is correct within the speech, I would prefer "sweet" though, and that "flagrant" DSTOM would be grammatically incorrect.
Perhabs the earlier term from B1G is applicable : "delued deception"
nɥºɾ

I would prefer you stop making your posts personal, the article was not written by me. thank you.

delued deception, that would be what?

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freakiness — Mon, 24 Feb 2014 03:16:04 GMT

@monman12 wrote:
"he didn't call Aboriginal people strangers, he said we treat strangers better than Aboriginal people."
I agree with you LL49."

"No, he said we extend our welcome more to strangers than we welcome aboriginal people."
I disagree FN, read the speech and post the link/excerpt for your version. Here is an excerpt from the actual speech:

"Australians had collectively failed to show to Aboriginal people the personal generosity and warmth of welcome that we have habitually extended to the stranger in our midst.” This what LL49 indicated, and with which I agree.

The speech also contains this:
"I pay tribute to former prime minister John Howard for first proposing to recognise indigenous people in the constitution."
"I pay tribute to former prime minister Kevin Rudd for the national apology."
"I commend former prime minister Julia Gillard for continuing these annual Closing the Gap statements to focus the parliament’s attention on problems that might otherwise be neglected or glossed over."
nɥºɾ

The one true point he makes is that he has failed to extend his welcome to aboriginal people. It was he who turned up late and promptly fell asleep in the chair when some aboriginal women put in the effort of appearing before parliament (or a parliamentary committee) to tell their story.

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the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 24 Feb 2014 03:59:31 GMT

@languidlady49 wrote:
he didn't call Aboriginal people strangers, he said we treat strangers better than Aboriginal people.

He said: Australians had collectively failed to show to Aboriginal people the personal generosity and warmth of welcome that we have habitually extended to the stranger in our midst.”

I'm sorry, but the inference I draw from that is that Aboriginal people are the one category of 'strangers in our midst' that we do not treat well.

It may not be what he intended to imply - but we all know that unless we choose our words carefully what we mean to say may not always be what people understand from what we actually say.

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the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 24 Feb 2014 04:06:41 GMT

However, I suggest you read Abbots speech here, because I would suggest that contextually the use of "fragrant" within: "with fragrant [sic] exceptions " is fitting and grammatical.

Or, in other words, the few occasions when we have treated Aboriginal people with the habitual kindness we show to 'the stranger in our midst' have been occasions when they didn't offend our olfactory senses.

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monman12 — Mon, 24 Feb 2014 04:09:41 GMT

"The one true point he makes is that he has failed to extend his welcome to aboriginal people"

Codswallop.

""Australians had collectively failed to show to Aboriginal people the personal generosity and warmth of welcome that we have habitually extended to the stranger in our midst.”

He has said AUSTRALIANS collectively failed to show the same degree of generosity and warmth of welcome to Aboriginal people that they would to others (strangers) within the country (midst) i.e discrimination.

Meaning non indigenous Australians collectively, not just him.

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