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Australia Caught In 'Cash-For-Halal' Claim

icyfroth — Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:25:46 GMT

THE body governing halal meat in Indonesia is accused of demanding tens of thousands of dollars in "donations" and travel expenses from Australian businesses.

Indonesia's Tempo Magazine reports that meat entering the country must be certified halal - that is, prepared under Islamic guidelines - by groups licensed by the Indonesian Clerics Council (MUI).

Tempo reports that Australian groups seeking certification must pay large "donations" to the MUI, and foot the bill for groups of its representatives to visit.

Head of Halal Certification Authority based in Sydney, Mohammed El-Mouelhy, told Tempo that even though he agreed to the terms, he never got a halal label and was never told why.

Tempo reports seeing receipts for one business' deposits to the head of the MUI, Amidhan Shaberah.

The largest was $10,000, apparently to stop the MUI revoking the license of a business called Australian Halal Food Services.

Australian abattoirs are also being made to pay hundreds so the approved groups can inspect their facilities.

Director of meat processors JBS Australia, John Berry, told the magazine the high cost of halal certification was limiting business and concerning meat exporters who deal with Indonesia.

AAP has approached the MUI for comment.

Indonesian Twitter users expressed outrage at the report.

Some called for the end of the MUI "monopoly" and many called its conduct "haram," or forbidden by Islamic law.

"Heart & conduct must be halal too," user Rudy tweeted.

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Hmmm...The Aussie Nation is a huge cash cow, apparently.

Re: Australia Caught In 'Cash-For-Halal' Claim

*mrgrizz* — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 01:04:26 GMT

none of this is new

one of the biggest rorts is iranian inspectors

Re: Australia Caught In 'Cash-For-Halal' Claim

icyfroth — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 01:07:51 GMT

Surely we have enough qualified and competent Aussie Imams to oversee the necessary procedures are followed?

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**snakes_alive** — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 01:11:26 GMT

well austrlia is a 'multicultural' society and being part of that is bending to the religion and laws of those making their home here.
our laws have changed to make them feel more at home, our celebrations have been changed so as not to offend, our food must be prepared in a particular way (and available in prisons) to suit their religion.
are you really suprised soem take advantage of australias seemingly endless generosity.

Re: Australia Caught In 'Cash-For-Halal' Claim

pct001wine — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 01:54:29 GMT

@**snakes_alive** wrote:
well austrlia is a 'multicultural' society and being part of that is bending to the religion and laws of those making their home here.
our laws have changed to make them feel more at home, our celebrations have been changed so as not to offend, our food must be prepared in a particular way (and available in prisons) to suit their religion.
are you really suprised soem take advantage of australias seemingly endless generosity.

**snakes_alive**, genuine questions here, what laws have been changed to "make them feel more at home" ?

What celebrations have been changed "so as not to offend" ?

I am preparing my food in the same way I always have - who is "forcing" us to do otherwise ?

Can I suggest you are mistaking "forcing" for "making allowance for" or "accommodating" or (shock horror) "accepting" ?

What is wrong with making halal meals (I guess that's what you're referring to) available to prisoners ?

Re: Australia Caught In 'Cash-For-Halal' Claim

icyfroth — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 02:01:21 GMT

@**snakes_alive** wrote:
well australia is a 'multicultural' society and being part of that is bending to the religion and laws of those making their home here.
our laws have changed to make them feel more at home, our celebrations have been changed so as not to offend, our food must be prepared in a particular way (and available in prisons) to suit their religion.

ok, got that.

are you really suprised some take advantage of australias seemingly endless generosity.

No. But I am surprised that the practice continues when we have enough qualified religious people, Mullahs or Imams, in the country to supervise procedures without having to "import" them from overseas?

What a farce. We export livestock overseas because they want the cattle slaughtered to their religious standard, and we import Muslim religious leaders to supervise the very same rituals over here.
Surely if wer'e bringing these people over here to supervise we could save exporting livestock and get it all done over here in the first place?

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**snakes_alive** — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 02:39:26 GMT

the law has changed to allow women of certain ethnecicity cover their heads./ faces. they are not reqired by law to remove them in banks or for the police unlike people with helmets or hoodies - the law was changed to accomodate for them.

christmas - need i say more

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bluecat*dancing — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 04:22:40 GMT

I don't see what the problem is? How does any of that affect the life you lead?

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boris1gary — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 04:34:11 GMT

@**snakes_alive** wrote:
the law has changed to allow women of certain ethnecicity cover their heads./ faces. they are not reqired by law to remove them in banks or for the police unlike people with helmets or hoodies - the law was changed to accomodate for them.

christmas - need i say more

A NEW law requiring Muslim women to remove a burqa or niqab to prove their identity to West Australian police has been passed by the state's parliament.

Not exactly what you posted, does look like some laws have been changed but not "to accommodate for them".

Christmas? yes, please say more....

Re: Australia Caught In 'Cash-For-Halal' Claim

icyfroth — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 05:22:50 GMT

@**snakes_alive** wrote:
the law has changed to allow women of certain ethnecicity cover their heads./ faces. they are not reqired by law to remove them in banks or for the police unlike people with helmets or hoodies - the law was changed to accomodate for them.

christmas - need i say more

How did you get so far off topic?

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the_hawk* — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 07:48:30 GMT

@bluecat*dancing wrote:
I don't see what the problem is? How does any of that affect the life you lead?

increased local prices to cover the cost of coruption

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the_hawk* — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 07:55:46 GMT

@pct001wine wrote:
@**snakes_alive** wrote:
well austrlia is a 'multicultural' society and being part of that is bending to the religion and laws of those making their home here.
our laws have changed to make them feel more at home, our celebrations have been changed so as not to offend, our food must be prepared in a particular way (and available in prisons) to suit their religion.
are you really suprised soem take advantage of australias seemingly endless generosity.
**snakes_alive**, genuine questions here, what laws have been changed to "make them feel more at home" ?
What celebrations have been changed "so as not to offend" ?
I am preparing my food in the same way I always have - who is "forcing" us to do otherwise ?
Can I suggest you are mistaking "forcing" for "making allowance for" or "accommodating" or (shock horror) "accepting" ?
What is wrong with making halal meals (I guess that's what you're referring to) available to prisoners ?

how about this one, it should get your interest,its an interesting concept

"If Afghan men have a culture which leaves them more likely to rape, and our courts have a culture of being more lenient as a consequence, I suggest Australian women have an interest in stopping the boats until we get this sorted out:"

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/australian-judge-finds-muslim-cultural-differences-valid-excuse-for-rape/?fb_action_ids=10202267950174216&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_ref=.UtU8aIzk778.like&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

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the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:38:38 GMT

@**snakes_alive** wrote:
well austrlia is a 'multicultural' society and being part of that is bending to the religion and laws of those making their home here.
our laws have changed to make them feel more at home, our celebrations have been changed so as not to offend, our food must be prepared in a particular way (and available in prisons) to suit their religion.
are you really suprised soem take advantage of australias seemingly endless generosity.

I think you are confused Snakes. This problem is all about exports, and the palms that have to be greased in order to find an overseas maket. It has absolutely nothing to do with Muslims living here

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freakiness — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:52:38 GMT

@the_hawk* wrote:
@pct001wine wrote:
@**snakes_alive** wrote:
well austrlia is a 'multicultural' society and being part of that is bending to the religion and laws of those making their home here.
our laws have changed to make them feel more at home, our celebrations have been changed so as not to offend, our food must be prepared in a particular way (and available in prisons) to suit their religion.
are you really suprised soem take advantage of australias seemingly endless generosity.
**snakes_alive**, genuine questions here, what laws have been changed to "make them feel more at home" ?
What celebrations have been changed "so as not to offend" ?
I am preparing my food in the same way I always have - who is "forcing" us to do otherwise ?
Can I suggest you are mistaking "forcing" for "making allowance for" or "accommodating" or (shock horror) "accepting" ?
What is wrong with making halal meals (I guess that's what you're referring to) available to prisoners ?

how about this one, it should get your interest,its an interesting concept

"If Afghan men have a culture which leaves them more likely to rape, and our courts have a culture of being more lenient as a consequence, I suggest Australian women have an interest in stopping the boats until we get this sorted out:"
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/australian-judge-finds-muslim-cultural-differences-valid-excuse-for-rape/?fb_action_ids=10202267950174216&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_ref=.UtU8aIzk778.like&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

That is one of the lessons we need to be teaching want-to-be migrants.

They need to be taught that women are their own people here and rape is rape. If they're not willing to gain an understanding of that and live by our laws we should not accept them as being genuine refugees or migrants in search of a better life.

Keeping them in a remote prison without teaching them about our culture is not doing anyone any favours.

Re: Australia Caught In 'Cash-For-Halal' Claim

boris1gary — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:20:07 GMT

"If", that quote starts with "If", Afghan men are no different than any other men - there are plenty of Australian born men in our prisons for rape.

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the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:31:38 GMT

our laws have changed to make them feel more at home, our celebrations have been changed so as not to offend, our food must be prepared in a particular way (and available in prisons) to suit their religion.

OMG! Have I been breaking the law all these years without knowing it? Is it now illegal to send Christmas cards or attend Midnight Mass? Am I obliged to wear an hijab or a burqa when I venture outside my home? Is it forbidden to eat non-halal; food? .Can I be arrested for failing to face Mecca and pray five times a day? What other crimes may I inadvertantly be committing ? . Please enlighten me before I get thrown into prison.

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freakiness — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:04:42 GMT

@boris1gary wrote:
"If", that quote starts with "If", Afghan men are no different than any other men - there are plenty of Australian born men in our prisons for rape.

Exactly. I don't agree that there is any excuse for rape and we should teach potential migrants about our laws.

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the_hawk* — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:08:26 GMT

@boris1gary wrote:
"If", that quote starts with "If", Afghan men are no different than any other men - there are plenty of Australian born men in our prisons for rape.

The only difference is I seriously doubt the Australian or European born men used the defence that its OK to rape woman because they are not equal to men and have no rights

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silverfaun — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:21:41 GMT

It's not OK for muslim fathers to take their infant daughters to Malasia & Indonesia to have their baby girls gentitals removed to the extent that they have labia fusion so there is no way it can be reversed.

The peace loving muslim society we have in this country should be outraged but we never hear a peep.

So the horrific slaughter in the halal manner they practice on defenceless animals shouldn't surprise us.

Heaven forbid if we offend the Indonesions for their rotten corruption and appalling practices.

Re: Australia Caught In 'Cash-For-Halal' Claim

boris1gary — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:44:23 GMT

@the_hawk* wrote:
@boris1gary wrote:
"If", that quote starts with "If", Afghan men are no different than any other men - there are plenty of Australian born men in our prisons for rape.
The only difference is I seriously doubt the Australian or European born men used the defence that its OK to rape woman because they are not equal to men and have no rights

If we were privy to all the defences used by australian or european born men convicted for rape I'm sure that they are just as offensive and ridiculous, yet I doubt we would then paint all men from that country with the same brush.