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Not for the faint hearted.

ca04 — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 23:58:21 GMT

More world reality.

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The video tape below shows Russian Navy commandos on a Somalian pirate ship shortly after the pirates had captured a Russian oil tanker.

The Euro Union navy that patrols these waters would not interfere because they feared there could be casualties.
So the Russian Navy Commandos freed their compatriots and the tanker, and then moved the pirates back to their own pirate ship. The Russians searched the pirate ship for weapons and explosives, and found plenty! And then they left the ship and exploded it with all remaining pirates hand-cuffed to it.

Yes, the commandos sank the pirate ship along with the pirates and without any court proceedings, lawyers, etc. They used the anti-piracy laws of the 18th and 19th centuries where the captain of the rescuing ship has the right to decide what to do with the pirates. Usually, they were hanged.
Video: http://true-turtle.livejournal.com/85315.html

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

kengillard — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 00:13:10 GMT

lovely

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

cherry*135 — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:08:28 GMT

Hostages held by Somali pirates in 2011

3,863 seafarers fired upon by pirates
1,206 hostages held captive
35 died, most while trying to escape during rescues
Average length of captivity increased by 50%
Levels of violence remained high

Source: 'Human cost of Somali piracy', International Maritime Bureau

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

cherry*135 — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:13:52 GMT

Jan 2014

Pirates have seized a merchant ship in the Red Sea and have taken it south towards Somali waters, in the first successful hijacking in the region since 2012.

The vessel, identified as the MV Marzooqah, sent a distress signal on Saturday evening in the Red Sea and was then turned towards the Gulf of Aden, said Andrew Mwangura, secretary general of the Seafarers Union of Kenya.

The number of attacks by Somali pirates dropped sharply in 2013, largely because of an international naval effort. No ships were succesfully hijacked.

But maritime experts have said the problem will remain as long as gangs operating out of Somalia are not disbanded on land.

There were 176 confirmed piracy attacks in the region in 2011 and 36 in 2012.

Ms Sherriff said the number fell to seven in 2013 and no ships were successfully seized. But she said the naval force had long warned sailors that the threat remained.

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

lind9650 — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:13:53 GMT

Sounds terrible, but what else would one expect from Russian soldiers when faced with the regaining of an oiltanker from the pirates. Piracy is rampant in some waters and getting worse.

Should the russians have let the pirates go to find more ships to rob?

Taking them back to russia for some trial by a court would cost an awful lot of money that Russia does not have, and the end result would most likely be death for the pirates.

Don't forget, Russian laws are not like our laws.

Erica

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

cherry*135 — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:19:43 GMT

Nov 2013

Somali pirates have extracted hundreds of millions of dollars in ransom since 2005, but the men doing the actual attacks take home only a miniscule fraction of the payoff. Still, compared to what they could otherwise earn, piracy remains a lucrative livelihood.

Ransom payments to Somali pirates are estimated to have been between $339 million and $413 million in the period 2005-2012, according to a report issued Monday by the International Criminal Police Organization, United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime and the World Bank. In addition to Somalia, the study focused on Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya and the Seychelles.

During the years from 2005 to 2012, 179 ships were hijacked off the coast of Somalia and the Horn of Africa. The average ransom paid was $2.7 million, with ordinary pirates receiving $30,000 to $75,000 each and bonuses paid to those who brought their own weapons or were first to board the ship.

The newly released report dissects the complex and historical nature of piracy in the region and explains the unusual way in which money filters from the hands of those paying the fines to the pirate’s financial backers, government officials, middlemen and others.

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

rabbitearbandicoot — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:36:16 GMT

"Yes, the commandos sank the pirate ship along with the pirates and without any court proceedings, lawyers, etc. "

Well, what else did they deserve? Did they give the passengers any choice?

If it was the Australian Navy, we would be paying to keep the mongrels for x years and then let them go to do it again.

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

**meep** — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:39:31 GMT

@ca04 wrote:
More world reality.
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The video tape below shows Russian Navy commandos on a Somalian pirate ship shortly after the pirates had captured a Russian oil tanker.

The Euro Union navy that patrols these waters would not interfere because they feared there could be casualties.
So the Russian Navy Commandos freed their compatriots and the tanker, and then moved the pirates back to their own pirate ship. The Russians searched the pirate ship for weapons and explosives, and found plenty! And then they left the ship and exploded it with all remaining pirates hand-cuffed to it.

Yes, the commandos sank the pirate ship along with the pirates and without any court proceedings, lawyers, etc. They used the anti-piracy laws of the 18th and 19th centuries where the captain of the rescuing ship has the right to decide what to do with the pirates. Usually, they were hanged.
Video: http://true-turtle.livejournal.com/85315.html

How did you get that from the video? I can't see it nor can I hear the Russians saying anything to that effect.

Do you have any info about this from a reliable source? (looking for an incident in 2010)

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

katymatey* — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:39:53 GMT

Pirates do not come aboard a ship and say, pls may we take control,. They are violent, ruthless and murderous. That is one bunch of pirates that won't be boarding to terrorise and murder again.

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

bluecat*dancing — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:40:53 GMT

That's cruelty, not justice.

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

**meep** — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:46:33 GMT

What was the name of the oil tanker?

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

rabbitearbandicoot — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:46:37 GMT

@bluecat*dancing wrote:
That's cruelty, not justice.

are you saying there was any doubt that they were pirates? some of them may have just been innocents - along for the ride? They didn't deserve a trial.

probably sinking the ship with them chained was a little bit off, they should have shot them first.

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

cherry*135 — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:47:52 GMT

The news report on this incident (2010) claim the Russians put the pirates (alive) on a boat (without navigation equipment) and sent them off. They most likely died on the journey.

Other Somalian pirates, claim the returned priates, were shot first then, put in a boat

They could have been tried in a third country, but in the past they just get to the third country then escape.

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

**meep** — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:49:29 GMT

Is this it?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/piracy/7713375/Somali-pirates-captured-and-released-by-Russian-navy-have-died.html

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

bluecat*dancing — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:52:12 GMT

I watched the video on the link - it is graphic- and shows [amongst other things] the boat exploding.

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

cherry*135 — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:53:20 GMT

Somali pirates reported dead after being set adrift without navigational gear

Wed 12 May 2010

Ten captured Somali piracy suspects are thought to have died after the Russian navy released them in an inflatable boat without navigational equipment, Russian media are reporting. An unnamed source told Russia's Interfax news agency yesterday: "It seems that they all died."

The alleged pirates seized the container ship Moscow University - carrying $50m of crude oil - on May 5 in the Gulf of Aden. Marines from the Russian warship Marshal Shaposhnikov, which patrols the pirate-infested Gulf as part of an international force, stormed the ship the following day, freeing the unharmed crew.

Initially, Russia said the suspected pirates would be taken to Moscow to face trial, but Colonel Alexei Kuznetzov later announced that "imperfections in international law" meant they would instead be released.

An international maritime treaty means suspected pirates can be tried in the home countries of their victims – but some governments have been put off this course of action for fear that convicted pirates might not return to Somalia after serving out their time in jail. Kuznetzov seemed to echo this when he said: "Why should we feed some pirates?"

Russian media reported that the 10 men were set adrift in a boat with no navigational equipment, and that contact was lost with the boat's radio beacon within an hour. However, Commander John Harbour, a spokesman for the EU naval force in Somalia, told the BBC that the loss of navigation equipment would not necessarily be critical and that the signal from the beacon could vanish if the battery ran out or it entered a satellite blind spot.

One Somali news website reported a conversation with an unidentified pirate who claimed the men were indeed dead – but said they had all been shot before they were loaded into the skiff. There is no evidence for this account, and photographs from the Moscow University seem to support Russian reports that marines killed one pirate in a firefight, and took the other ten captive.

Commander Harbour observed that the Russian navy was within its rights to release the men as it did – and it is probable that the boat they were returned to was one of their own. He congratulated the Russians on a "brave" and successful action against piracy.

The Russian announcement that the men were probably dead led immediately to a **bleep**-for-tat threat from the pirates. Somali media reported one pirate as saying: "In future, if we capture Russians they will meet the same fate as those they executed."

If this sabre-rattling translates into deaths it will reflect a recent escalation in violence in the region, as reported previously on The First Post, and could endanger the many hostages taken by the pirates, including British couple Paul and Rachel Chandler, held captive since last autumn.

Previously, the pirates have always treated their hostages well. In part, no doubt, this is to ensure ransom payments – but it may also reflect the fact that some do not want to see themselves as pirates and have turned to hostage-taking as a last resort to escape desperate poverty in a violence-riven country with no functioning government.

In January, Rachel Chandler told a French journalist: "We have not much time left and are being badly treated." There have been no statements from the couple since then. ·

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

cherry*135 — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:54:58 GMT

I didn't watch the video. The spiel in the opening post & a video (probably same one) comes from a blog/website and appears on many others.

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

**meep** — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:55:20 GMT

@lind9650 wrote:
Sounds terrible, but what else would one expect from Russian soldiers when faced with the regaining of an oiltanker from the pirates. Piracy is rampant in some waters and getting worse.
Should the russians have let the pirates go to find more ships to rob?
Taking them back to russia for some trial by a court would cost an awful lot of money that Russia does not have, and the end result would most likely be death for the pirates.
Don't forget, Russian laws are not like our laws.

Erica

So you believe they sank the ship with the Somalis on board?

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

**meep** — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:59:50 GMT

@bluecat*dancing wrote:
I watched the video on the link - it is graphic- and shows [amongst other things] the boat exploding.

Who was on board when it exploded?

Re: Not for the faint hearted.

rabbitearbandicoot — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:07:47 GMT

"The alleged pirates " ?????????????

They boarded a ship armed to the teeth and took over command of the ship - what else would they be??? 'alleged' - my fat aunt.

People are 'alleged' when there is some doubt, or in our legal system until they are proven guilty. I'll say again, was there any doubt what their intentions were??

If the Russians set them adrift 300km away from shore, knowing they had little or no hope of making it, that would have been more cruel that shooting them. They probably did shoot them, but they are not going to come out and say so, are they?