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unions and labor

*mrgrizz* — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 00:31:32 GMT

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/joe-mcdonald-fined-30000-over-bullying-cfmeu-hit-with-143000-penalty/story-fnhocxo3-1226853544959

why was he allowed to rejoin after being expelled in 2007?

Re: unions and labor

*mrgrizz* — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 00:32:58 GMT

and by the way i am not anti union...........but I will never join one again. but they serve their purpose.

Re: unions and labor

donnashuggy — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:41:26 GMT

Must be a very passionate man eh?

Re: unions and labor

just_me_karen — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:45:36 GMT

If you never plan to join one, it appears you must be anti union.

I think unions should be compulsory and those who refuse to belong shouldn't be permitted to accept the benefits....such as the 8 hour day and weekends we enjoy...and pay rises.

Re: unions and labor

*mrgrizz* — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:55:24 GMT

@just_me_karen wrote:
If you never plan to join one, it appears you must be anti union.

I think unions should be compulsory and those who refuse to belong shouldn't be permitted to accept the benefits....such as the 8 hour day and weekends we enjoy...and pay rises.

i was a member once. when i was a apprentice.

the bloke who i was working for could no longer afford to employ me.

so I rang the union and told them the story, i didn't want them to make him keep me or anything.

all i wanted was some help to transfer my apprenticeship else where.

now seeing how the union organiser/representative is out and about all day they would know who was looking for staff.

i was told they could do nothing for me and i was on my own.............that is the exact words.

well i found another employer and had my apprenticeship transfered over. no help from the union.

a couple of months later the union rep come onto site and was talking to me and asked if i was a member.

when i said no and refused to rejoin, i was called a leach among other things.

Re: unions and labor

*mrgrizz* — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:56:05 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Must be a very passionate man eh?

more like deluded and a thug

Re: unions and labor

donnashuggy — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:56:38 GMT

It is a real problem that workers won't strike like they used to.

Re: unions and labor

*mrgrizz* — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:00:06 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
It is a real problem that workers won't strike like they used to.

and it should be the workers choice

don't forget blokes like mcdonald get them to strike.......well he still gets paid.........the workers don't

Re: unions and labor

just_me_karen — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:02:18 GMT

The accord solved a lot of the strikes. I'm sure we'll see plenty of strikes happening with this government.

Unions are vital because they address the balance of power in the workplace.

Grizz, that's a disappointing story about your union, however it also contradicts your earlier statement about having nothing against unions. I see the issue in a bigger picture...it's not about individual workers, but the group...for the betterment of workers overall. Still, it's not good that they didn't help you when you needed it.

Re: unions and labor

nero_bolt — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:08:56 GMT

@*mrgrizz* wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
Must be a very passionate man eh?
more like deluded and a thug

agree with mrgrizz

Bill Shorten won’t expel Mr McDonald from the Labor Party, despite Kevin Rudd doing so when he was PM.

Shorten is just another union THUG

Cant wait for the Royal Commission into Union corruption as back stabbing bill has his sticky fingers on so much corruption and its going to come out

Re: unions and labor

donnashuggy — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:07:12 GMT

and it should be the workers choice

It is a shame they cannot see into the future

Re: unions and labor

*mrgrizz* — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:10:30 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
and it should be the workers choice

It is a shame they cannot see into the future

you conveniently left out the part about the union people still being paid, while the people who pay them don't

Re: unions and labor

*mrgrizz* — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:11:54 GMT

the cmfeu is a union that used to strike for the wrong brand of toilet paper in the dunnies

Re: unions and labor

boris1gary — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:12:01 GMT

mrgrizz, I don't know how long ago it was when you were an apprentice, when Mr Boris was doing his apprenticeship the unions had no say whatsoever in regards to apprentices, he wasn't even allowed to join until he had finished - that wasn't the unions doing though. As for not being paid while striking, there are at least 2 of the bigger unions that provide "strike pay".

Re: unions and labor

*mrgrizz* — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:13:37 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
and it should be the workers choice

It is a shame they cannot see into the future

what do unions have to fight for these days?

Re: unions and labor

poddster — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:17:02 GMT

@*mrgrizz* wrote:

why was he allowed to rejoin after being expelled in 2007?
They need the numbers, even if it is from the bottom of the barrel

Re: unions and labor

just_me_karen — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:25:03 GMT

Safety on building sites is something that needs fixing.

Funding cuts, benefit cuts...are other things that might warrant a strike.

The accord (Keating and hawk) stopped most strikes. They struck a deal where pay rises were indexed...superannuation and medicare was part of it.

Re: unions and labor

donnashuggy — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:29:22 GMT

@*mrgrizz* wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
and it should be the workers choice

It is a shame they cannot see into the future
what do unions have to fight for these days?

It is usually wages and safety that I read about. I go on strike when eBay does maintenance.

Re: unions and labor

boris1gary — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:40:41 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Must be a very passionate man eh?

I have met Joe and he is a very passionate man and not a bully or a thug. It's pathetic that he was even fined, it's perfectly fine for employers to ignore safety on job sites and even when a construction worker dies on the job employers walk away free to do as they like, that is the ultimate bullying on the job.

Re: unions and labor

poddster — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:42:55 GMT

Was the "Accord" like a bribe so that the union wouldn't call a strike?

You know like "protection'' of old