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Are you prepared to work until you are 70?

i-need-a-martini — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:07:07 GMT

There is no way I will be. I am not planning to work beyond 55!

But it won't affect people like me will it? I have my own plans and they will be self funded.

So once again, it will be those less fortunate and less able to take care of themselves who will suffer.

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spotweldersfriend — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:10:31 GMT

It's a ridiculous concept with 25%+ youth unemployment.

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lakeland27 — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:13:39 GMT

even if they pass such a legislation it will be removed when the right wing loonies lose office. polling makes it a real possibility at the next election. let them fantasise.

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*crikey*mate* — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:14:42 GMT

Judges already have a retirement age of 70.

If we are going to get a retirement age of 70, I'm glad that a lot of the manufacturing jobs etc are being phased out. Working those kinds of jobs for that many years is just too much.

and the "less fortunate" (Martinis words) will now be allowed to work longer at a higher wage than the pension would earn them.

There is good in the proposal as well as negatives. Not time for chicken little to dance just yet

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grandmoon — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:15:07 GMT

I retired before I reached 65 and I had paid into a super fund.

I am aware of a lot of older people who are working in jobs that entail a large amount of physical work and most of them will have great difficult in work until they are 70 or older.

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i-need-a-martini — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:21:22 GMT

@grandmoon wrote:
I retired before I reached 65 and I had paid into a super fund.

I am aware of a lot of older people who are working in jobs that entail a large amount of physical work and most of them will have great difficult in work until they are 70 or older.

And that is exactly the point.

A well paid judge can very well work until he is 70. But he doesn't have to as he has most likely a very good financial package ready to expode money into his life whenever he CHOOSES to retire.

What about a labourer? What choice is there? Keep working even though you are half dead from a lifetime of hard work?

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*crikey*mate* — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:22:51 GMT

and what about the people who don't want forced retirement at 65?

The "less fortunate" having struggled on thier wage for umpteen years, possibly don't have a lot of backup to actually be able to do a whole lot in their retirement. What do they do? Mope around the house and trim the lawn edges with nail scissors?

Nah, it's not a good thing, I get that, especially for those in hard labour kinds of jobs, but hopefully as time passes and society changes those kinds of jobs will largely phase out and people will drift towards more long term sustainable employment.

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lakeland27 — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:24:31 GMT

@diamond-halo wrote:
Judges already have a retirement age of 70.

If we are going to get a retirement age of 70, I'm glad that a lot of the manufacturing jobs etc are being phased out. Working those kinds of jobs for that many years is just too much.

and the "less fortunate" (Martinis words) will now be allowed to work longer at a higher wage than the pension would earn them.

There is good in the proposal as well as negatives. Not time for chicken little to dance just yet

i agree. this government will be out if they attempt such a thing . . i saw gerard henderson (ha) waffling on in regard to this topic, he looks well over 70 (quite like an old muppett). but talking codswallop is something you can do at any age,

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purple_haize — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:24:49 GMT

My sister in law is is 63yrs, she applies for heaps of jobs, but no one will put her on because they say she is to OLD.

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imastawka — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:25:18 GMT

I've seen many elderly judges snoozing, waking up just in time to give

their verdict! Any wonder they can 'work' til they're 70!

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boris1gary — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:27:23 GMT

@diamond-halo wrote:
Judges already have a retirement age of 70.

If we are going to get a retirement age of 70, I'm glad that a lot of the manufacturing jobs etc are being phased out. Working those kinds of jobs for that many years is just too much.

and the "less fortunate" (Martinis words) will now be allowed to work longer at a higher wage than the pension would earn them.

There is good in the proposal as well as negatives. Not time for chicken little to dance just yet

might be fine for those who sit in chairs all day and the hardest physical labour they do is pick up a pen.

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ufo_investigations — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:28:27 GMT

@i-need-a-martini wrote:
There is no way I will be. I am not planning to work beyond 55!

But it won't affect people like me will it? I have my own plans and they will be self funded.

So once again, it will be those less fortunate and less able to take care of themselves who will suffer.

All you got to do is get the numbers right, it's easy. You just need 6 numbers in the same box and bingo. Then you can retire right now.

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lakeland27 — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:31:34 GMT

the public accepting this is as likely as winning the lottery . having said that i'll still be working when i'm 70 if i dont expire first.

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*crikey*mate* — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:31:39 GMT

@i-need-a-martini wrote:
@grandmoon wrote:
I retired before I reached 65 and I had paid into a super fund.

I am aware of a lot of older people who are working in jobs that entail a large amount of physical work and most of them will have great difficult in work until they are 70 or older.
And that is exactly the point.

A well paid judge can very well work until he is 70. But he doesn't have to as he has most likely a very good financial package ready to expode money into his life whenever he CHOOSES to retire.

What about a labourer? What choice is there? Keep working even though you are half dead from a lifetime of hard work?

Yeah, I get that scenario. My OH is basically a waiter, so whilst rough work, not in the same league as a labourer, but he's pretty much done now at 52. He's a fit boy, but his body is wearing out.

Hopefully people will start to work towards alternatives that are sustainable. My father was originally a butcher - that's hard, labour intensiove work, but over the years he merged into offshoot industries that saw him work (and mix it up with play) until he was near on 90. Dad would have died at 65 if someone told him he could no longer work. (Mum prolly woulda too LOL). The day they sent dad home from hospital for the last time, he went into work.

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i-need-a-martini — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:32:33 GMT

@diamond-halo wrote:

Nah, it's not a good thing, I get that, especially for those in hard labour kinds of jobs, but hopefully as time passes and society changes those kinds of jobs will largely phase out and people will drift towards more long term sustainable employment.

How do you 'phase out' what a brickie does? Or a plumber? Or a hairdresser? Or a farmhand? Or a restaurant dishwasher? Or a nanny? Or a taxi driver? Or a labourer? Or a boilermaker?

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i-need-a-martini — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:34:09 GMT

People my work towards getting a more sustainable jobs. But those other jobs still need someone to do them.

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boris1gary — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:34:37 GMT

average life expectancy...brilliant, work all your years and expect to enjoy 9.9years of retirement , or a few more if your a female. Remind me again why people pay super, oh don't worry I remember now - do away with pensions and let the rich gamble with our wages while we work for them.

Director of Demography, Bjorn Jarvis, said "A boy born today could expect to live 79.9 years, while a girl could expect to live 84.3 years.

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debra9275 — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:34:57 GMT

no wonder some of the judges rulings are so out of touch with the rest of the community's values, they should retire earlier IMO

PH that's exactlly what I hear too, no-one is prepared to give older workers a job despite the anti discrimination laws, they still find a way around them if they consider someone to be too old, like too experienced etc.

& LL's right, young people need jobs

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*crikey*mate* — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:35:32 GMT

@boris1gary wrote:
@diamond-halo wrote:
Judges already have a retirement age of 70.

If we are going to get a retirement age of 70, I'm glad that a lot of the manufacturing jobs etc are being phased out. Working those kinds of jobs for that many years is just too much.

and the "less fortunate" (Martinis words) will now be allowed to work longer at a higher wage than the pension would earn them.

There is good in the proposal as well as negatives. Not time for chicken little to dance just yet
might be fine for those who sit in chairs all day and the hardest physical labour they do is pick up a pen.

I agree, so maybe people need to consider this in their career choices.

I'm currently "guiding" 3 kids through career choices, and I'm hoping like crazy none of them pursues a career as hard as their father or grandfather did, Really hoping they pursue occupations that allow them to sit on their bums in nice comfy airconditioned offices.

Anyway, I'm in the minority in this thread, I can see bad in the concept, but I also see positives, so best I wander off now.

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boris1gary — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:36:33 GMT

@i-need-a-martini wrote:
@diamond-halo wrote:

Nah, it's not a good thing, I get that, especially for those in hard labour kinds of jobs, but hopefully as time passes and society changes those kinds of jobs will largely phase out and people will drift towards more long term sustainable employment.
How do you 'phase out' what a brickie does? Or a plumber? Or a hairdresser? Or a farmhand? Or a restaurant dishwasher? Or a nanny? Or a taxi driver? Or a labourer? Or a boilermaker?

don't worry, we can all live in tents and walk everywhere, eat air so we won't need crockery.